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KennyJ
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6109494 - 09/30/13 03:43 PM

There is a thread here about the Swarovski 7x42 SLC with some interesting comments.

I tried some of these when the "neu/ mark 2" model that is for sale, first hit the market, and was VERY impressed.

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=75127

Kenny


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wavecloud
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6109898 - 09/30/13 07:57 PM

I have a Vortex Viper HD, compared it side by side with the famous Swarovski binoculars, it the optics arealmost as sharp but have a flatter field, and they are MUCH more comfortable to use.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Stacy]
      #6110058 - 09/30/13 09:17 PM

Stacy the "Viper but" is not a new model, though clearly I need new model fingers or proof readers... Of course I could edit it...but it is funny!
As an answer to the OP's question...I honestly don't remember how far out stars were pinpoint. I did not find it objectionable, but our tolerance levels may be different. If the remnants of the Typhoon ever pass by I will take a look and post!
You may find this post to be helpful.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: KennyJ]
      #6110087 - 09/30/13 09:32 PM

Quote:

Hello Ebbisham,

Does it HAVE to be a 42mm model?

I was thinking Nikon 8x32 SE might be just fine.

Kenny




I agree with Kenny, the SE will be able to perform as
well as the others you have listed. The other one to
try out is the Zeiss Conquest 8x42 HD, it is also very
good, and those 2 are the best choices so far mentioned.

Jerry


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Ebbisham
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: NDfarmer]
      #6110545 - 10/01/13 03:21 AM

The report for the Viper HD sounds rather encouraging. 80% sweet spot would be good enough for me.
I think I will try both the conquest HD and the Viper HD and see how they compare.
I would have to try the Meopta as well but would have to order them from Germany, making a return a bit more expensive.
But then the Meopta fov is 7.8 vs the Vipers 6.6 . It's not easy

Edited by Ebbisham (10/01/13 04:11 AM)


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Chris Greene
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6110988 - 10/01/13 11:09 AM

I must be the only guy around who was singularly unimpressed with the Viper 8x42's. By the same token, I love my Vortex Fury's.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Chris Greene]
      #6111303 - 10/01/13 02:05 PM

Quote:

I must be the only guy around who was singularly unimpressed with the Viper 8x42's. By the same token, I love my Vortex Fury's.




You're definitely not. I discarded them from my most recent list shortly after viewing with them for only a short time.


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KennyJ
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebyl]
      #6111786 - 10/01/13 07:15 PM

I'm another who has only ever looked through ONE specimen of Vortex binocular, sadly to have been left with no alternative but to send it back in disappointment.

To be fair, it had probably or been damaged in transit.

My overall first impression of it, a 8.5x50 Viper, apart from the initial surprise of how light weight it felt, and of the eye-relief being TOO long, even for ME!, was that even had it been in perfect condition, it would have been like " a poor man's Swarovski" both to look AT and THROUGH.

Kenny


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Ebbisham
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebyl]
      #6111789 - 10/01/13 07:16 PM

Just to ad another option, I just saw the Pentax DCF ED 8x43 is on sale for 599 , does anyone has experience with them for stargazing

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wavecloud
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebyl]
      #6111982 - 10/01/13 09:11 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I must be the only guy around who was singularly unimpressed with the Viper 8x42's. By the same token, I love my Vortex Fury's.




You're definitely not. I discarded them from my most recent list shortly after viewing with them for only a short time.




Are these the Viper HD's? If so, why did you not like them?
The Unhd's naturally will not be as good.


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wavecloud
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: wavecloud]
      #6111991 - 10/01/13 09:16 PM

And, just so you know, some of the vortex units are horrid.
Astronomy binoculars should be at least 42 mm.
I did a lot of homework befor I got my Vioer HD's.
I've never had any trouble with them, though their chromatic abberation is no better than a pare of Swarovski 2000$ binoculars.
I carefully tested their optics. They should be clean, but they are very sharp, with a flatter field than those Swarovskis which set the standard for opticAl performance.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6111994 - 10/01/13 09:18 PM

I recently got a Nikon Monarch 7 8x42. They looked great in the super bright electronics store , but during my first daytime walk with them through some fields outside, I was not impressed. The culprit: I thought that they should be sharper for what I paid. I'm talking about both on axis and off axis. Absolutely NOTHING was wrong with them, I just thought they should be BETTER. *Groan* What to do? What to do?

I decided to keep them. The more I considered their strengths, the more I grew to appreciate them:

* long eye relief (17.1mm) AND wide field of view (8.0 degrees), no problem at all using glasses
* bright view with high transmission (no quantification here, just my perception from looking at the Pleiades, Cygnus, and Lyra)
* nice power (8x) AND weight (650g/22.9oz) for astronomy handholding
* excellent depth of field (I was impressed at the distance range that was close to focus)
* super smooth and precise focus

My primary astronomical use of binoculars is observing areas of the sky not objects in the sky, so low mag, wide, bright views are what I'm after and this bino delivers the goods.

Now, about that sharpness issue. I've concluded that it is a non-issue in practical usage. Perhaps I was initially expecting alpha quality from a mid-range bino, perhaps my eyes were tired during my first outdoor usage, who knows. They now seem plenty sharp to me. Have I lowered my expectations to justify my purchase? Possible, but I don't think so. Would I recommend them to someone else? Yes, but only after you've shopped around and concluded that this mix of technical specifications and optical characteristics fits your observing goals.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: KennyJ]
      #6112089 - 10/01/13 10:09 PM

Quote:

I'm another who has only ever looked through ONE specimen of Vortex binocular, sadly to have been left with no alternative but to send it back in disappointment.

To be fair, it had probably or been damaged in transit.

My overall first impression of it, a 8.5x50 Viper, apart from the initial surprise of how light weight it felt, and of the eye-relief being TOO long, even for ME!, was that even had it been in perfect condition, it would have been like " a poor man's Swarovski" both to look AT and THROUGH.

Kenny




I owned the 8.5x50 Viper for a few months, and ultimately the reason I sold it was because the eye relief was too long. Really nice bright images, but I couldn't hold the binocular up to my face. Instead I was always balancing it out in front of my eyes, and thus could never get a stable view of anything.

My 8x42 Promaster Infinity ELX ED on the other hand has perfect eye relief and eyecups such that I can hold it tight against my face and see nice sharp, bright, and very stable images. A world of difference...


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: SMark]
      #6112920 - 10/02/13 11:11 AM

The Viper 8x42 HDs eye releif matches the eyecup exactly.

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Chris Greene
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: wavecloud]
      #6112982 - 10/02/13 11:41 AM

For you, maybe.

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Ebbisham
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Chris Greene]
      #6113917 - 10/02/13 07:55 PM

I just put an order in for a Minox HG 8x43. It is the lightest bino on my list and got some good reviews.
Havent seen much written about stargazing but we will see
Cliftoncameras have them on sale for 599 and if it fails to impress than it will be the easiest to return.

Edited by Ebbisham (10/02/13 08:07 PM)


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Chris Greene
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6113945 - 10/02/13 08:14 PM

Well, now that you've ordered something, it's a bit late but I had another look today at the Nikon Monarch 7 8x42's today and if I needed another pair of 8x42's (or 10x42's), especially at their current sale price, I'd be all over a pair.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Chris Greene]
      #6116287 - 10/03/13 11:05 PM

minox should be solid -

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder [Re: daniel_h]
      #6117641 - 10/04/13 05:02 PM

I would suggest either the Vortex Viper (they are amazing for the cost) or the Bushnell Legend Ultra HD. Both have been known to be exceptional for the cost.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder [Re: faltered]
      #6119014 - 10/05/13 12:55 PM

I was singularly unimpressed with the Vipers (8x42). Haven't seen the Legends but the Bushnell 10x50 Legacy porros are quite decent for how inexpensive they are.

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