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Ebbisham
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still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder
      #6108623 - 09/30/13 02:56 AM

I am still looking for a good 8x42 all round binocular with emphasis on stargazing. I am not a birder but like to take my Bino's with me on walks so light weight is certainly a plus.
Unfortunately my nearest shop is not well stocked so I try to decide on a short list and will then order online.
After I had trouble getting on with Leica Trinovid (I felt sea sick and someone suggested it might have collimating issues) I got a Opticron WP HR 8x42.
The positive reports I read are certainly true. After comparing it to my Leica over serveral days and nights I could not see a difference between them in the middle of the fov. If anything I found the opticron ever so slightly brighter on M31.
Now I could be happy with the Opticron but feel that only the middle 50% are sharp,leaving me to look for another bino with the same resolution and brightness but a bigger area with pin point stars.
My budget is up to 800 and I had a look at the following models but could not single out a clear winner for me

Vortex Viper HD - 430 (people seem to love them but some place them considerable below the new Zeiss conquest plus it seems to have a moderate sweet spot)
Meopta Meostar 8x42 - 590 (seems like a good bino with wide views but slightly heavier)
Minox HG 8x42 - 600 (difficult to find a consensus, some love it and some place it below similar priced offerings)
Zeiss Conquest HD 8x42 - 680 (had some problems with black outs in the beginning but liked the views. Can't remember how big the area with pin pout stars wars. Not so keen about the rubber coating)

Kowa Genisis 8.5x44 and Nikon HG L 8x42 heavy and slightly above budget

Nikon SE 10x42 -670 (probably best choice but despite the low weigh I doubt that I can hold it steady. One reason to sell my old Dekarem 10x50 were the shaky views)

I would gratefully about comments about the listed models and other suggestions. I must admit I have a slight preference for supposedly Japanese or German made Bino's.

Edited by Ebbisham (09/30/13 03:35 AM)


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6108655 - 09/30/13 03:44 AM

Hi,

These look good to me, but I don't know if you can get them in the UK?

http://www.zen-ray.com/shop/review/product/list/id/41/category/4/

Pay no attention to that price because everyone else is selling them for $609.

http://agenaastro.com/zen-ray-prime-hd-8x42-binoculars-dielectric-prism-coati...

Good reviews...
-Chuck


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: JustaBoy]
      #6108725 - 09/30/13 06:40 AM

Have you looked at the Nikon Monarch 7 8x42? I'm not sure if it's made in Japan, but it gets good reviews.

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Ebbisham
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: JustaBoy]
      #6108772 - 09/30/13 07:44 AM

Quote:

Hi,

These look good to me, but I don't know if you can get them in the UK?

http://www.zen-ray.com/shop/review/product/list/id/41/category/4/

Pay no attention to that price because everyone else is selling them for $609.

http://agenaastro.com/zen-ray-prime-hd-8x42-binoculars-dielectric-prism-coati...

Good reviews...
-Chuck




Sounds interesting, they would be roughly 540 with tax and no way of returning them. They would have been really good for that


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6108789 - 09/30/13 07:59 AM

The more I use my new Vanguard Endeavor 8x42ED the more I'm impressed with it. The views challenge those of much higher priced binos. Very solid build, too. By the way, still on sale at Eagle Optics plus the rebate.

Best wishes,
Frank


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Ebbisham
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: DarkDisplay]
      #6108908 - 09/30/13 09:23 AM

The Monarch 7 sound good as well. With 450 they fit in between the Meopta and the Viper HD.
To be fair I like Nikon cameras and my lenses are from Thailand and china with no complains


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6108942 - 09/30/13 09:43 AM

Bushnell Legend Ultra HD

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: PowellAstro]
      #6109125 - 09/30/13 11:45 AM

If you can, you might check out the Canon IS bins. I have the fairly inexpensive 10x30's but, apparently, the real jewel are the 10x42's.

But what I'm grabbing most often these days are the Conquest HD 8x42's. There's too much eye relief relative to the extension of the eye cups and there is another issue (mechanical) with the eye cups which Zeiss is working on (new cups) but the views, once you get how to hold them are sublime. BTW, if you wear glasses and keep the cups rotated in or mostly in, these are about perfect.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Chris Greene]
      #6109166 - 09/30/13 12:08 PM

Hello Ebbisham,

Does it HAVE to be a 42mm model?

I was thinking Nikon 8x32 SE might be just fine.

Kenny


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Ebbisham
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: KennyJ]
      #6109297 - 09/30/13 01:36 PM

Hi Kenny
The 8x32 is a great binocular but collects 60 % less light than a 42mm bino. I never tried a bino that size so not sure how this is reflected in reality.
I use my Bino's primarily when I don't have enough time to get the scope out or when we visit the family in the south if France (very dark there ) and I can't take my scope on the train.
Shame Nikon never produced a 8x42


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6109330 - 09/30/13 01:58 PM

I own the Vortex Viper but and love them. Great views, great from the weight standpoint and I am very happy with my purchase...however I don't have any experience with the other models you mention so I can't offer a comparative opinion. Is there a way to get the binocular you think you like best with an option to return if you can't get to somewhere that has some of these in stock?

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: WOBentley]
      #6109354 - 09/30/13 02:23 PM

Quote:

I own the Vortex Viper but and love them. Great views, great from the weight standpoint and I am very happy with my purchase...however I don't have any experience with the other models you mention so I can't offer a comparative opinion. Is there a way to get the binocular you think you like best with an option to return if you can't get to somewhere that has some of these in stock?




Is the "Viper But" a new model? I have not heard of that one yet.


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Ebbisham
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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Stacy]
      #6109371 - 09/30/13 02:35 PM

Dave, Stacy- I mean the HD version, what is the percentage of field in yours were stars stay pinpoint.
I am certainly looking to order from a reputable dealer in the UK and you have with any online shop under a EU directive (one of the things they got right ) the right to return within 7 days without any reason.
Problem is that there are only so many well stocked dealer and I already returned a few Bino's I wasn't to sure about.
The Conquest was one of them. I don't wear glasses so have to wait for the upcoming upgrade to see if the kidney beaning goes away.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Stacy]
      #6109388 - 09/30/13 02:46 PM

Agena ships to the UK by the way....

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6109399 - 09/30/13 02:51 PM

Quote:

Dave, Stacy- I mean the HD version, what is the percentage of field in yours were stars stay pinpoint.
I am certainly looking to order from a reputable dealer in the UK and you have with any online shop under a EU directive (one of the things they got right ) the right to return within 7 days without any reason.
Problem is that there are only so many well stocked dealer and I already returned a few Bino's I wasn't to sure about.
The Conquest was one of them. I don't wear glasses so have to wait for the upcoming upgrade to see if the kidney beaning goes away.




Yes, better to deal local if you can. On the other hand, if that is going to limit your selection too severely you might do better on-line. Then there is the used market. Save hundreds and for the most part get a known good sample. Is there a resource in the UK for good, used optics?


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Stacy]
      #6109413 - 09/30/13 02:58 PM

Stacy, I know, I bought my Antares Barlow from them. But shipping back will be a problem if I have problems with kidney beaning etc.
Unfortunately it seems that unlike telescope stuff it is far more difficult to find used binos, or maybe I am just frequenting the wrong forums.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6109428 - 09/30/13 03:09 PM

Quote:

Stacy, I know, I bought my Antares Barlow from them. But shipping back will be a problem if I have problems with kidney beaning etc.
Unfortunately it seems that unlike telescope stuff it is far more difficult to find used binos, or maybe I am just frequenting the wrong forums.




Birders and hunters are a great source for used binos, with the caveat that hunters tend to "test the build quality" a bit more than astronomers.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6109445 - 09/30/13 03:19 PM

Can you get Zen-Ray binoculars in the UK? They have a 10x42 in the Prime HD, and while they're not the smallest or lightest, they are optically superb without having to pay the full price of an alpha bin. If someone is willing to spend close to the price they run at, which it looks like you might be, I'd recommend at least glancing at them.

After a quick look around, there is a European distributor called Lanius Books or something? Not sure. Anyway, here's the Zen-Ray page for the 10x42 HD's.

http://www.zen-ray.com/shop/prime-hd-1042.html

You could always contact them directly and ask about UK distribution or shipping, they have a reputation for being extremely helpful.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Stacy]
      #6109450 - 09/30/13 03:21 PM

Again, slightly different from the stated requirement, but there is a used Swarovski 7x42 SLC available here for within your stated budget price.

http://www.at-infocus.co.uk/usedequipment.html

Kenny


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebyl]
      #6109469 - 09/30/13 03:32 PM

I had a quick look at Lanuis website, he is based in Poland and charges the same as a self import cost, I will read a bit more about the Zen's they seem to get good feedback. Would be interesting how they compare to Meopta.
Don't know why but somehow I like what I read about them but I think I have to order one to see for myself


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6109494 - 09/30/13 03:43 PM

There is a thread here about the Swarovski 7x42 SLC with some interesting comments.

I tried some of these when the "neu/ mark 2" model that is for sale, first hit the market, and was VERY impressed.

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=75127

Kenny


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6109898 - 09/30/13 07:57 PM

I have a Vortex Viper HD, compared it side by side with the famous Swarovski binoculars, it the optics arealmost as sharp but have a flatter field, and they are MUCH more comfortable to use.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Stacy]
      #6110058 - 09/30/13 09:17 PM

Stacy the "Viper but" is not a new model, though clearly I need new model fingers or proof readers... Of course I could edit it...but it is funny!
As an answer to the OP's question...I honestly don't remember how far out stars were pinpoint. I did not find it objectionable, but our tolerance levels may be different. If the remnants of the Typhoon ever pass by I will take a look and post!
You may find this post to be helpful.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: KennyJ]
      #6110087 - 09/30/13 09:32 PM

Quote:

Hello Ebbisham,

Does it HAVE to be a 42mm model?

I was thinking Nikon 8x32 SE might be just fine.

Kenny




I agree with Kenny, the SE will be able to perform as
well as the others you have listed. The other one to
try out is the Zeiss Conquest 8x42 HD, it is also very
good, and those 2 are the best choices so far mentioned.

Jerry


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: NDfarmer]
      #6110545 - 10/01/13 03:21 AM

The report for the Viper HD sounds rather encouraging. 80% sweet spot would be good enough for me.
I think I will try both the conquest HD and the Viper HD and see how they compare.
I would have to try the Meopta as well but would have to order them from Germany, making a return a bit more expensive.
But then the Meopta fov is 7.8 vs the Vipers 6.6 . It's not easy

Edited by Ebbisham (10/01/13 04:11 AM)


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6110988 - 10/01/13 11:09 AM

I must be the only guy around who was singularly unimpressed with the Viper 8x42's. By the same token, I love my Vortex Fury's.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Chris Greene]
      #6111303 - 10/01/13 02:05 PM

Quote:

I must be the only guy around who was singularly unimpressed with the Viper 8x42's. By the same token, I love my Vortex Fury's.




You're definitely not. I discarded them from my most recent list shortly after viewing with them for only a short time.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebyl]
      #6111786 - 10/01/13 07:15 PM

I'm another who has only ever looked through ONE specimen of Vortex binocular, sadly to have been left with no alternative but to send it back in disappointment.

To be fair, it had probably or been damaged in transit.

My overall first impression of it, a 8.5x50 Viper, apart from the initial surprise of how light weight it felt, and of the eye-relief being TOO long, even for ME!, was that even had it been in perfect condition, it would have been like " a poor man's Swarovski" both to look AT and THROUGH.

Kenny


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebyl]
      #6111789 - 10/01/13 07:16 PM

Just to ad another option, I just saw the Pentax DCF ED 8x43 is on sale for 599 , does anyone has experience with them for stargazing

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebyl]
      #6111982 - 10/01/13 09:11 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I must be the only guy around who was singularly unimpressed with the Viper 8x42's. By the same token, I love my Vortex Fury's.




You're definitely not. I discarded them from my most recent list shortly after viewing with them for only a short time.




Are these the Viper HD's? If so, why did you not like them?
The Unhd's naturally will not be as good.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: wavecloud]
      #6111991 - 10/01/13 09:16 PM

And, just so you know, some of the vortex units are horrid.
Astronomy binoculars should be at least 42 mm.
I did a lot of homework befor I got my Vioer HD's.
I've never had any trouble with them, though their chromatic abberation is no better than a pare of Swarovski 2000$ binoculars.
I carefully tested their optics. They should be clean, but they are very sharp, with a flatter field than those Swarovskis which set the standard for opticAl performance.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6111994 - 10/01/13 09:18 PM

I recently got a Nikon Monarch 7 8x42. They looked great in the super bright electronics store , but during my first daytime walk with them through some fields outside, I was not impressed. The culprit: I thought that they should be sharper for what I paid. I'm talking about both on axis and off axis. Absolutely NOTHING was wrong with them, I just thought they should be BETTER. *Groan* What to do? What to do?

I decided to keep them. The more I considered their strengths, the more I grew to appreciate them:

* long eye relief (17.1mm) AND wide field of view (8.0 degrees), no problem at all using glasses
* bright view with high transmission (no quantification here, just my perception from looking at the Pleiades, Cygnus, and Lyra)
* nice power (8x) AND weight (650g/22.9oz) for astronomy handholding
* excellent depth of field (I was impressed at the distance range that was close to focus)
* super smooth and precise focus

My primary astronomical use of binoculars is observing areas of the sky not objects in the sky, so low mag, wide, bright views are what I'm after and this bino delivers the goods.

Now, about that sharpness issue. I've concluded that it is a non-issue in practical usage. Perhaps I was initially expecting alpha quality from a mid-range bino, perhaps my eyes were tired during my first outdoor usage, who knows. They now seem plenty sharp to me. Have I lowered my expectations to justify my purchase? Possible, but I don't think so. Would I recommend them to someone else? Yes, but only after you've shopped around and concluded that this mix of technical specifications and optical characteristics fits your observing goals.


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: KennyJ]
      #6112089 - 10/01/13 10:09 PM

Quote:

I'm another who has only ever looked through ONE specimen of Vortex binocular, sadly to have been left with no alternative but to send it back in disappointment.

To be fair, it had probably or been damaged in transit.

My overall first impression of it, a 8.5x50 Viper, apart from the initial surprise of how light weight it felt, and of the eye-relief being TOO long, even for ME!, was that even had it been in perfect condition, it would have been like " a poor man's Swarovski" both to look AT and THROUGH.

Kenny




I owned the 8.5x50 Viper for a few months, and ultimately the reason I sold it was because the eye relief was too long. Really nice bright images, but I couldn't hold the binocular up to my face. Instead I was always balancing it out in front of my eyes, and thus could never get a stable view of anything.

My 8x42 Promaster Infinity ELX ED on the other hand has perfect eye relief and eyecups such that I can hold it tight against my face and see nice sharp, bright, and very stable images. A world of difference...


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: SMark]
      #6112920 - 10/02/13 11:11 AM

The Viper 8x42 HDs eye releif matches the eyecup exactly.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: wavecloud]
      #6112982 - 10/02/13 11:41 AM

For you, maybe.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Chris Greene]
      #6113917 - 10/02/13 07:55 PM

I just put an order in for a Minox HG 8x43. It is the lightest bino on my list and got some good reviews.
Havent seen much written about stargazing but we will see
Cliftoncameras have them on sale for 599 and if it fails to impress than it will be the easiest to return.

Edited by Ebbisham (10/02/13 08:07 PM)


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6113945 - 10/02/13 08:14 PM

Well, now that you've ordered something, it's a bit late but I had another look today at the Nikon Monarch 7 8x42's today and if I needed another pair of 8x42's (or 10x42's), especially at their current sale price, I'd be all over a pair.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Chris Greene]
      #6116287 - 10/03/13 11:05 PM

minox should be solid -

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: daniel_h]
      #6117641 - 10/04/13 05:02 PM

I would suggest either the Vortex Viper (they are amazing for the cost) or the Bushnell Legend Ultra HD. Both have been known to be exceptional for the cost.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: faltered]
      #6119014 - 10/05/13 12:55 PM

I was singularly unimpressed with the Vipers (8x42). Haven't seen the Legends but the Bushnell 10x50 Legacy porros are quite decent for how inexpensive they are.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Chris Greene]
      #6119407 - 10/05/13 06:00 PM

I received the Minox Hg yesterday and as clouds are parting tonight had a chance to quickly test them.

The binos arrived in a small box, already in the case and the raingards fitted, together with a certificate from the person checking it. It might not say much but certainly gives a more personal feeling.
The Trinovid and Conquest HD had more impressive boxes, but then you buy the binos to use them and not to look at the box.

As you can see from the manufactors website, the HG have a nice minimalistic design. The rubber coating has a similar feel to the one from the Conquest HD i tested and is perfectly fitted (the Conquest showed some tiny gaps)

The focuser has a nice stiff feel to it without any play.

Stars snapped into focus and stayed sharp up to 80 % of the fov. Overall the image felt just right with the sweet spot being big enough that i had to look for aberations.
Rectengular distortions seem minimal.
I could fit the doube double and Vega into view with all stars being sharp, M13 could only be guessed with avert vision.
The image seems somewhat dim but it could well be the seing conditions.
I will test the Minox over the next days but the fisrt impression is quite possitive


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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Chris Greene]
      #6121549 - 10/06/13 11:52 PM

I'm delighted with my Zhumell 8x42 ED phase-coated binos. They are compact and light, have an 8 field, with a bright, crisp image. I use them when I take breaks from my 22", they are great for scanning the Milky Way and viewing brighter nebulae, globular and open star clusters, and galaxies. They are also excellent daytime binos. But I'm lucky, as there have been some reports of defective pairs from others who ordered these. Still, if you order from a reputable vendor, there should be no problem with repair or replacement as they have a warranty good for many years.

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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Ebbisham]
      #6121820 - 10/07/13 07:51 AM

Hi Andre,

I notice you said your local optical shop was not well stocked but are you aware of Kay Optical in Morden, near the tube station? They have lots of binoculars and shouldn't be that far from you? I was just there weekend before last.

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I am still looking for a good 8x42 all round binocular with emphasis on stargazing. I am not a birder but like to take my Bino's with me on walks so light weight is certainly a plus.
Unfortunately my nearest shop is not well stocked so I try to decide on a short list and will then order online.
After I had trouble getting on with Leica Trinovid (I felt sea sick and someone suggested it might have collimating issues) I got a Opticron WP HR 8x42.
The positive reports I read are certainly true. After comparing it to my Leica over serveral days and nights I could not see a difference between them in the middle of the fov. If anything I found the opticron ever so slightly brighter on M31.
Now I could be happy with the Opticron but feel that only the middle 50% are sharp,leaving me to look for another bino with the same resolution and brightness but a bigger area with pin point stars.
My budget is up to 800 and I had a look at the following models but could not single out a clear winner for me

Vortex Viper HD - 430 (people seem to love them but some place them considerable below the new Zeiss conquest plus it seems to have a moderate sweet spot)
Meopta Meostar 8x42 - 590 (seems like a good bino with wide views but slightly heavier)
Minox HG 8x42 - 600 (difficult to find a consensus, some love it and some place it below similar priced offerings)
Zeiss Conquest HD 8x42 - 680 (had some problems with black outs in the beginning but liked the views. Can't remember how big the area with pin pout stars wars. Not so keen about the rubber coating)

Kowa Genisis 8.5x44 and Nikon HG L 8x42 heavy and slightly above budget

Nikon SE 10x42 -670 (probably best choice but despite the low weigh I doubt that I can hold it steady. One reason to sell my old Dekarem 10x50 were the shaky views)

I would gratefully about comments about the listed models and other suggestions. I must admit I have a slight preference for supposedly Japanese or German made Bino's.




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Re: still looking for a good 8x42 allrounder new [Re: Sgt]
      #6121982 - 10/07/13 09:40 AM

Thanks for the tip, morden is not to far from me. I did a search but couldn't find any local shop. I've been on their website before but didn't realize they sit in morden.

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