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Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review new
      #574733 - 08/26/05 09:50 AM

Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review

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Re: Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review new [Re: Mike Loffland]
      #578535 - 08/29/05 10:28 AM

People who read this review should take the caveat that the reviewer's scope is an f/13.6 Maksutov. Yet even at that long f/ratio, the eyepiece exhibited considerable astigmatism (which the author called spherical aberration) and chromatic aberration.
There is a very high likelihood this eyepiece would be quite distorted when used with telescopes with more normal f/ratios of 4.5 to 8.
Yes, it's only $45, but an excellent eyepiece with the same field of view could have been had for $129--the Antares Speers-Waler UWA, so the author's contention that this is an acceptable low-cost alternative to a Nagler doesn't mean it is the ONLY low cost alternative, or even the BEST one.
I advise people who are looking for inexpensive ultra-wide eyepieces to look at the Speers-Waler.

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Re: Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review new [Re: Starman1]
      #578971 - 08/29/05 02:58 PM

Don
Thanks for the heads up on my incorrect terminology.
I agree, as I intimated in my review, I too would have doubts about the performance of this eyepiece on short to medium focal length instruments; I was simply reporting what I saw on my telescope. However, as I also state in my review, the astigmatism was only marked in the outer 10% of each side and then only on very bright objects such as Vega (mag zero). On fainter objects I was pleasantly surprised at its edge performance.
There is no way I am saying that the Zhitong is as good as a Speers-Waler or a Magellan Widescan, but these are nearly three times the price. The difference between the Zhitong and a Speers-Waler may only be $84, but that's a lot of money to me!
I took a punt on this eyepiece because there was no other way I could afford to fill the gap in my collection that this eyepiece fills. It does what I need it to do, namely provide high magnification views of smallish open clusters on my ETX 90.

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Re: Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review new [Re: Michael Morris]
      #579045 - 08/29/05 03:40 PM

Michael,
You are privileged to have such a long focal length scope. Nearly everything works well at that f/ratio, and it is good to know there is such an inexpensive ultra-wide field available.
I have a long focal length Mak, myself, and I just might try this out. Currently, I max out at 67 degrees at that focal length.
Thanks for the link to the two FLs of these. I will add them to my Eyepieces Buyers Guide on the next update.

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Re: Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review new [Re: Starman1]
      #579102 - 08/29/05 04:25 PM

I know that the long focal length of the ETX 90 is a real boon when one is on a very tight budget for eyepieces. I bought the ETX 90 because I have a bad back and I needed something light and easy to handle. Prior to this I had a TAL 114mm Newtonian that weighed about the same as Canada!
By the way, if you've got the budget (which I haven't), check out the Magellan Widescan III range (review here) as well as the Antares Speers-Waler. I nearly bought the 20mm Widescan a while ago but the telly going kaput put paid to that.
I am envious of your 12.5" Dob. Like most owners of small scopes, I suffer from aperture envy. We are hoping to sell the house and move to the country in few years time when our youngest goes to University. The plan (or more precisely, MY plan) is to use part of the money from the sale to fund a secondhand LX200, a pier and a cheap roll-off roof observatory. Until then I will have to stick with the ETX as my sole instrument.


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Re: Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review new [Re: Michael Morris]
      #584753 - 09/02/05 02:43 PM

I bought this EP as well and tested it on my f/10 SCT and f/6 refractor at Mt. Pinos last night and it was at least as good on the SCT as described in the Mak and only slightly worse on the f/6. The odd thing, in my scopes, that seems to work for this particular EP is the way it deals with curvature of field (not pincushion distortion, but out of focus at the edge of the FOV) is that it seems to correct this error in my scopes while most of my other cheapie EPs seem to exacerbate it.

For instance: my 20mm 65° GSO SV and 30mm 80° 1rpd have pretty bad curvature of field (IMO) in both my scopes. If I focus on stars at the center of the FOV, the edges are not sharp at all. I can refocus at the edges to get a much sharper image (but with some residual astigmatism). The dominant edge-of-field aberration is definitely the curvature of field which overwhelms the astigmatism present in these 2 EPs.

With the 11mm 80° Zhitong, there is astigmatism present at the edge of the FOV but little to no curvature of field, thus giving a nicer total FOV than either my 30mm 1rpd or 20mm GSO SV (which are still EPs I like and use every time I'm at the scope). This means that the 11mm will be added to the standard kit that comes out even for quickie backyard viewing sessions.

Complaints about the EP:

1) Short ER, which wouldn't be so bad except for:
2) Stupid rubber eyecup doesn't fold down and is *very* stiff, thus effectively preventing you from seeing the entire FOV. I switched the eyecup from my KnightOwl/Synta WA 6mm which works very well and this problem is solved.
3) Field stop is very fuzzy - worst of all my EPs and many of those are cheapies.
4) Dust in my EP is visible, which also means that the apparent focus point is near one of the elements' surfaces. I will open up the EP and try to clean it with the instructions many have made here on CN and maybe I can figure out what's up with the fuzzy field stop.

Nevertheless, for $45 it's a good deal. I really need to get the EP out again in the f/6 as I was not expecting it to be useable at all in that scope. As I stated, it turned out to do quite well, perhaps due to a "canceling out/correcting" of field curvature that I see in most other cheap EPs in my scopes.

However, Don is right about the Speers WALERs, if you can swing the ~$130 these are absolutely wonderful EPs which give better performance, esp. edge correction, than this EP. My S-W 5-8mm is clearly the best EP I own.

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Re: Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review new [Re: Lew Zealand]
      #585363 - 09/03/05 06:36 AM

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With the 11mm 80° Zhitong, there is astigmatism present at the edge of the FOV but little to no curvature of field ...



Exactly what I found as well.

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Re: Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review new [Re: Michael Morris]
      #585430 - 09/03/05 09:30 AM

Are you guys referring to the Antares SWA's

http://www.cloudynights.com/documents/speers.pdf

Or the Antares w70's

http://www.cloudynights.com/documents/w70.pdf

When you say the speers are better?

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Re: Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review new [Re: Tom Trusock]
      #586472 - 09/04/05 12:00 PM

Quick note: this EP does not come to focus in my Orion 100mm f/6 refractor with my 2" Antares diagonal, which doesn't make it into this scope much except for viewing the Veil and N. America nebula at dark sky sites. Quite a bit more in-focus is needed. There are specialty low-profile 2-1.25" adapters which can solve this but I'll probably just stick with my stock Orion 1.25" diagonal until I pop for a high-reflectivity 1.25" diag (I think Stellarvue has one).

I have the Antares SWA, the 80° EP. My 5-8mm ($240, the more expensive one as it's a zoom) is sharp to the 80° edge at f/6 with no refocusing needed at the edge like most of my other EPs (all inexpensive). Reports from others are that the 7.5 thru 14mm EPs in this series are the same - very well corrected optics but the EPs are biggies.

I actually don't take it out every night and it's not my first out even when I use it because it's so physically *long*. The refractor makes it to the backyard more often (grab 'n' go) so the more demanding f/6 optics are used more often yet I don't choose the S-W right off the bat due to it's size. I usually need to readjust my chair to use it as the SW EP ends up higher up than the others. With the refractor in the backyard, I usually end up with:

20mm GSO SV (finder)
11mm Zhitong (mid-range) - replaced 9mm Synta WA
6mm Synta WA (hi-power)
2x Parks Barlow for planets, cores of GCs

If the seeing is good then I go back in for the S-W and the Synta goes unused.

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Re: Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review new [Re: Tom Trusock]
      #586508 - 09/04/05 12:55 PM

Quote:

Are you guys referring to the Antares SWA's

http://www.cloudynights.com/documents/speers.pdf

Or the Antares w70's

http://www.cloudynights.com/documents/w70.pdf

When you say the speers are better?



Tom,
The SWAs, the 80 degree eyepieces. The 10mm was, IIRC, your favorite of that bunch. Your test showed they were better in shorter focal lengths, which might also account for the reverence some viewers hold for the 5-8mm variable.
I should be clearer in my description, as Tom is right--there are a couple 70 degree focal lengths and a couple Long-eye-relief versions floating around.

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Re: Zhitong 11mm 80° Wide Angle 1.25” Eyepiece Review [Re: Starman1]
      #612271 - 09/23/05 06:07 AM

I managed to try out the Zhitong 11mm on a couple of friends scopes (f6 8" Newtonian and f9 6" refractor) last night and was very pleasantly surprised. The stars were sharp right to within 5-10% from the edge with no need to refocus when looking at the edge of the FOV. As with my f13.6 Maksutov (ETX 90), there was a bit of barrel distortion but this was not excessive. Overall, the view through the f6 was not as good as through the f9 scope and I think that f6 was possibly pushing the eyepiece to the point where image quality was starting to suffer a bit.
Targets used were M27 (Dumbbell nebula) and M39 (faintish open cluster in Cygnus).

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Observatory Almira Observatory Website
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