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Tom Laskowski
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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: aa6ww]
      #6194011 - 11/14/13 06:38 AM

Yesterday morning (13th) ISON was barely visible in my 15x70s. This morning it is dramatically brighter and appears as a small, round fuzzball. Anyone else notice this? Maybe things are looking up for naked eye prospects.

edit: I should have read the few posts above that mention this.

Edited by Tom Laskowski (11/14/13 06:43 AM)


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steveyo
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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: Tom Laskowski]
      #6194052 - 11/14/13 07:18 AM

I looked at Lovejoy and ISON this morning using my Canon 10x30IS binos.

I'd searched unsuccessfully for ISON from my red-zone backyard several times, but this AM, I finally saw it. ISON looked like a tiny globular cluster, clearly nonstellar, and I was thrilled to finally see it.

Lovejoy was much easier, a big fuzzy spot NE of Leo's mane.

Encke was to low for my horizon or I would have tried for it, too.


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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: Tom Laskowski]
      #6194063 - 11/14/13 07:31 AM

ISON - wow, this was the biggest change in a 24 hour period of any comet I have ever seen. This morning (14th) I could see a much brighter coma and the nucleus. I viewed it at 85x and 120x. It was easily visible in my 9x50 finder.

LOVEJOY is still king of the hill.
ENCKE remains very faint.
LINEAR has eluded me and I think I have to write that one off.
NEVSKI - cannot see this one either.
My morning session yesterday (13th) started off with a bright meteor


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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: aa6ww]
      #6194074 - 11/14/13 07:39 AM

I observed both Lovejoy and ISON again this morning. I thought that ISON seemed noticeably brighter than just the day before, which is confirmed by the posts above from last night and earlier this morning. I saw ISON in my 80mm scope and also 15x70 and 10x50 binocs. At 10X it looked almost stellar and I might not have identified it unless I knew exactly where it was among the background stars.

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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: aa6ww]
      #6194111 - 11/14/13 08:28 AM

Saw four of the five morning comets this AM in Missouri. Nevski was visible in large Dobsonian but I could not definitely see it in 14X100 binoculars. I saw ISON in binoculars for the first time. Lovejoy is a joy, Encke was very dim in the large binoculars. I could not see Linear in binoculars. Logistics of my observing site would not let me use the large Dob on the comets low in the eastern sky. November in Missouri typically has about 3 clear nights in the whole month so I felt very fortunate to see comets the last two mornings.

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djeber2
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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: kcolter]
      #6194152 - 11/14/13 09:01 AM

Quote:

November in Missouri typically has about 3 clear nights in the whole month so I felt very fortunate to see comets the last two mornings.




Same here. I usually see very little clear skies in Nov after the first week of the month so it was very unusual for me to have back to back clear mornings this time of the year. I am Very blessed to have these clear skies, and before the moon begins to interfear.


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Mike B.
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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: djeber2]
      #6194173 - 11/14/13 09:17 AM

I observed it this morning for the third time. Man, what a change from yesterday! I was using 15x70 binoculars and it just stood out like a sore thumb. Color was easily visible and intense. You could tell right away that this was a comet and not a star in the 15x70's.

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Glen A W
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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: Mike B.]
      #6194299 - 11/14/13 10:39 AM

I believe the color is the most intense I have seen in a comet since Hyakutake was inbound back in 1996. Though it's completely subjective, I recall it being very green, also.

With Lovejoy, I really just gasped the first time I turned it up in a 4 inch refractor, it was so blue-green. This was not apparent in smaller binoculars, however.

I wonder what causes the strong green color? [cue for JB]

GW


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Dave Mitsky
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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: Glen A W]
      #6194903 - 11/14/13 04:16 PM

The color is due to diatomic carbon (C2) and not cyanogen.

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5664654/page...

http://astrogeeks.com/Bliss/MetaGuide/images/cometvz13.html

http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/us/linear-a2/a2_1107010_s.gif

Dave Mitsky


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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: Dave Mitsky]
      #6195271 - 11/14/13 07:14 PM

Both LOVEJOY and ISON were easy targets for the C8 w/ the right the coordinates this morning here in western Nevada. Each appeared well w/in the finderscope FOV in their respective parts of the sky. ISON was spectaculor w/ long tail readily apparent.

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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: Tom Laskowski]
      #6195929 - 11/15/13 04:19 AM Attachment (39 downloads)

Here are the drawings from this morning's observation. Comets can be so very different.... As you can see I sketched both of them with the same instrument minutes apart. It is possible that Lovejoy might have been "victimized" as I noticed that dawn was breaking as I was drawing it, but still...

ISON is more typical of a comet, the tail appeared bi-forked with a brightening near the coma on one side. This brightening was less apparent at lower magnifications. Higher magnifications reduced the contrast of the (still) faint tail with the sky. I am not sure it is real...

Lovejoy has started to evolve into a galaxy-like fuzzy, with a non-centered core. The tail, although more evident than before, is still very diffuse. This morning Lovejoy was nicely framed by three stars, with the tail extending into the opening...

Both comets were readily visible in both 10x50 and 15x70 binoculas, with ISON showing a rather intense neon-like greenish hue, while Lovejoy appeared more white. The latter comet could be detected naked eye with averted vision from my suburban locality. I believe I spotted ISON naked eye as well, as with averted vision I could perceive something at its position, and there are no similarly bright stars nearby, but it was almost at my vision's limit.


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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: RolandosCY]
      #6195977 - 11/15/13 05:54 AM Attachment (47 downloads)

Hi all,
Quite early,... I went to a dark sky site this morning, nov. 15th, Lovejoy was still an easy naked eye object but we can detect ISON as a naked eye object too! ISON is now very different that two nights ago. Here follows a sketch o(watercolor) of ISON that I made with a 12"Dobson 40mm EP

Edited by Aquarellia (11/15/13 06:00 AM)


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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: Aquarellia]
      #6195988 - 11/15/13 06:21 AM

Most impressive, thanks for the view.

Rich (RLTYS)


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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: Rich (RLTYS)]
      #6196021 - 11/15/13 07:10 AM

Nice sketches you guys!!!

I was able to spot Ison this morning just after 6:00 am even though the sky was hazy. Estimated mag was @ 3 or 4 and all I could really see was the nucleus and surrounding fluff like a globular because it was so hazy out.

I first saw it with a pair of 7x35 binocs, then at 35x with my 34mm ES 68 eyepiece in my 10 inch reflector. I then used my 9mm ES 100 at 133x to see the nucleus which was stellar.

No tail was seen at all because the skies were hazy, but I was really thrilled to have seen it at all! I'm going to keep looking for it every chance I get now.

I also got treated to a really nice view of Jupiter at 218x with my 5.5mm Meade 5000 WP UWA after that! I could have saw Mercury as well, but by that time, heavy, thick clouds rolled in.

Cheers!


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Glen A W
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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: Scanning4Comets]
      #6196261 - 11/15/13 10:23 AM

I observed ISON about 540 local time. I could not believe the difference. We had icy haze like we get this time of year, but the comet shone through and I saw the tail as in the excellent drawings above. Even when it was so hazy that Spica and the other stars of Virgo were hazed out, I could still track the comet in my 4 inch refractor. It is far brighter that a couple of days ago! GW

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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: Glen A W]
      #6196530 - 11/15/13 12:59 PM

After several days of morning fog, this morning was clear. I picked up the finder charts I had printed previously, grabbed by Bushnell 10x50's and went outside, at ~4:45am PST. The bright street light at the curb obviated the need for a flashlight. The sky was clear, with Mars and Regulus immediately visible. After a few minutes of getting used tot he sky, I perused the finder chart, and swept from Leo towards Leo Minor with the binoc's. A few sweeps, then... there it was, Comet Lovejoy, very bright and obvious, even with the light pollution! I put down the bino's, and swept through the area again, just to make sure it wasn't some optical illusion. It was a big, bright, and obvious fuzzball, with a condensed inner nucleus. It was almost directly overhead, or at least that what my neck was telling me.
Looking down towards the Eastern horizon, I could tell there was no way I would be able to see anything through the bright haze. Maybe I'll look for a better site this weekend.
J.F.


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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: eps0mu0]
      #6197406 - 11/15/13 10:44 PM

ISON at 05:00 this morning was a beautiful sight in my 15x70 binos. Really easy to find, a few degrees above Spica and just off to the right.

Bright core, a wide tail but not very elongated visually from the suburbs. Can't have everything.... I will probably go at it again tomorrow morning, but also take my 80mm refractor and try to punch through with some medium magnifications.

I want to compare views between the two evenings, even though tomorrow the moon will "grace" us with her presence until 6:00 am.


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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: nicknacknock]
      #6197661 - 11/16/13 06:03 AM

I went out this Friday morning and took a look at comet ISON. I brought my 25x100 binoculars with me, since I needed a wide field view with some decent aperture. I was happy I brought them. ISON was pretty spectacular. The entire field of view of my large binoculars was filled with the comet at 2.5 degrees. It had a large bright star like head, an even larger fuzzy coma surrounding the head, and the tail swept up in the 1 o:clock position from the head. The Coma was probably close in size to how we see M13 in the sky, and when swept back to the tail, seemed to cross over itself, and come to nearly one point, then it fanned out into two separate forked tails with a dark area between the two tails. I didn't see a 3rd tail, I would have needed darker skies which I may visit tonight up in ice house, if the weather holds out. Large binoculars are considered comet hunters, because when you use both eyes, you get more contras which makes very dim details resolve easier. Id estimate the comet was as long as 2.5 deg's from what I can see in the skies I was in, thats 5 full moons side by side. It was pretty spectacular really, at least to me. It wasn't naked eye visible though, but i think its right on the cusp of being so. The moon was down, so my view to the east was dark for the area I was in. Maximum elevation of the comet was about 25 degs above the horizon. This was enough for very crisp views with lots of contras. ISON was about 7 degs above Spica, and to the left of the constellation Corvus. Its also now high enough in the sky to just go out in your back yard and observe it before twilight, but you have to know where to look. Even under Sacramento skies, it shouldn't be a problem seeing with 50mm binoculars or a small 80mm refractor, and of course, anything larger.
Its worth making the effort to get up and seeing this. These seldom come around, and this one could be gone completely in 2 weeks if it doesn't survive the pass around the sun on Thanksgiving day.
Good luck to anyone who looks for it.

...Ralph


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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: aa6ww]
      #6198082 - 11/16/13 12:19 PM

I too am currently impressed and pleased with how my efforts paid off observing ISON this am.

I could easily see a "long" tail and the coma was brighter/bigger BUT I really enjoyed its color of blue/green

All this at such a low alt even.


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Re: ISON, ENCKE, and LOVEJOY Visual Observations ONLY! new [Re: MessiToM]
      #6199593 - 11/17/13 09:55 AM Attachment (46 downloads)

Thanks for starting this thread, Ralph. The observations are great, and loving the sketches!

I had my first view of ISON this morning. I woke up at 5am and the sky looked clear out my north-facing window. So I threw something on, rummaged for the binoculars and headed outside...where I saw fast moving clouds all over the east horizon. They were rolling along in this typical Flagstaff orographic pattern where they haul off at warp speeds & you think a big batch is quickly moving out of the way, only for another huge new clump to materialize in the same spot..over and over again. But it looked it was consistently clearer just a bit further east. So I jumped in the car and drove a few miles east to a spot that had some clearing in the sky near Spica.

The comet was a pretty quick find when there weren't clouds squatting on top of it. The coma sported a soft blue-green color and a short, maybe 15 arc minute long tail. Approaching twilight, moonlight, haze and intermittent clouds--the comet was packing a decent punch to kick through that mess. I didn't attempt to estimate magnitude. Degree of condensation was around 3 from the binocular perspective. I need to see if I can squeak in a telescopic observation in the next couple days.

Digital illustration showing the comet as it appeared above Spica


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