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Edward E
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Comet ISON_Please...
      #6157587 - 10/25/13 02:44 PM



I don't know what others think but I'm already tired of the Comet ISON silliness. For a faint comet with little hope that it will blossom into something, it sure has captured a lot of attention. From "for pay" Comet ISON viewing with David Levy, constant media blurbs to Comet ISON photo contest with Sky&Tel it all is too much. Comet Hale Bopp or Comet Hyakutake did not generate nearly as much "hoopla" as ISON has even though the others were far brighter and easily viewable over a long period of time. If we are going to tout a "viewable" comet this fall-winter then it should be Comet Encke; its far brighter, has an interesting past and puts on a nice display each time around. I say, forget Comet ISON unless it blooms into something worth noting. OK, rant OFF.


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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Edward E]
      #6157624 - 10/25/13 03:02 PM

+1

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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: brianb11213]
      #6157770 - 10/25/13 04:35 PM

You forgot, or don't have, the people that think it's the end of the world and want you to take a look "with that big telescope you have"... ya know, just to see... something odd... I guess?

/sigh


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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: OMA]
      #6158108 - 10/25/13 07:54 PM

Yeah, I "grok" you on the hype. But as far as comets go it IS brighter than the average Comet, and worth getting up early for a peak. That time in the morning we're unlikely to run into many people.

* I was so tempted to write "Brighter than the average Bear, Boo Boo" above


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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Tom and Beth]
      #6158114 - 10/25/13 08:01 PM

So how many of you have actually seen comet Ison??

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Edward E
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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Tom and Beth]
      #6158121 - 10/25/13 08:08 PM

Quote:

Yeah, I "grok" you on the hype. But as far as comets go it IS brighter than the average Comet, and worth getting up early for a peak. That time in the morning we're unlikely to run into many people.

* I was so tempted to write "Brighter than the average Bear, Boo Boo" above






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Edward E
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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Stargaz18]
      #6158123 - 10/25/13 08:10 PM

I have not been able to spot Comet ISON yet I'm planning on giving it another go this weekend.

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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Edward E]
      #6158167 - 10/25/13 08:44 PM

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I don't know what others think but I'm already tired of the Comet ISON silliness.




Comets can't be "silly." They're inanimate objects. The fact that they're unpredictable is what makes them so special. So get real, quit expecting them to act like some TV show that resolves itself in 30 minutes, and enjoy the show when and if it happens.


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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: rdandrea]
      #6158184 - 10/25/13 08:56 PM

Silliness (hype) is in the media ... value of ISON, Encke and Linear is helping to push telescopes sales, attract more people to outreach events, spark more interest in astronomy in general. Glad they don't happen that often! ... 'Comet? So? ... anything new to see?'....

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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Stargaz18]
      #6158280 - 10/25/13 09:55 PM

Saw it twice. VERY underwhelming so far.

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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: BlueGrass]
      #6158606 - 10/26/13 03:23 AM

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Silliness (hype) is in the media ... value of ISON, Encke and Linear is helping to push telescopes sales, attract more people to outreach events, spark more interest in astronomy in general. Glad they don't happen that often! ... 'Comet? So? ... anything new to see?'....



Yes, it's SO destructive to the hobby as a whole when what is hyped up to be really, really special turns out to be such a disappointment. Like a hydrogen bomb firework turning out to be a penny banger.

The people who get suckered in to buying a beginners scope by the hype never learn to use the thing properly & go away disappointed, angry & never buy any other astro kit ever again. The keen don't need "gee whiz" events to get interested or maintain their interest.


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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: brianb11213]
      #6158826 - 10/26/13 09:51 AM

The only place I see anything about Ison is on astronomy forums and websites and astronomy magazines. I haven't heard or seen it on TV or radio. My friends and coworkers don't even know what an Ison is. I don't know where you're all seeing the hype besides in the places where its supposed to be.

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rnc39560
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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: bleep]
      #6159006 - 10/26/13 11:40 AM

Hale Bopp was indeed a sight! In south MS on our property you could see it CLEARLY naked eye. So much so my older sis said she would be glad when it was gone because she thought it looked unnatural. Lol!

Edited by rnc39560 (10/26/13 11:47 AM)


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Edward E
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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: rdandrea]
      #6159037 - 10/26/13 12:07 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I don't know what others think but I'm already tired of the Comet ISON silliness.




Comets can't be "silly." They're inanimate objects. The fact that they're unpredictable is what makes them so special. So get real, quit expecting them to act like some TV show that resolves itself in 30 minutes, and enjoy the show when and if it happens.




You are correct a comet cannot be "silly" and I do not go around anthropomorphizing inanimate objects. It's the unnecessary attention to Comet ISON that is silly. The odds that anyone will be able to see this comet with just ones eyes is very small so there should not be any hype around this one. Just look back to last winter and comet PANSTARRs, I enjoyed taking photos of it and while I was out many non-astronomy types came out and tried to view it but could not find it. I would show it to them on the Cameras screen and in the small telescope and they would exclaim "that's it!? I came out for that!?" It was a big disappointment in their eyes. That is not what we want. We need people to have a realistic expectation of what a comet will look like. I enjoy observing comets, even the little ones that attract zero attention. I have no expectations what a comet will do; I just enjoy watching what may come.


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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Edward E]
      #6159192 - 10/26/13 01:33 PM

"anthropomorphizing" may need to do a quicky look up on that one. Relax, I'm thinking about selling a couple
scopes, a little comet hype always helps

Edited by labmand (10/26/13 01:35 PM)


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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Edward E]
      #6159823 - 10/26/13 09:12 PM

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It's the unnecessary attention to Comet ISON that is silly.




Whose unnecessary attention would that be? Yours? Certainly not mine. In 50+ years of observing, I've learned that comets will be what they will be. Relax and see what happens. It will either be good or great. Even telescopic comets are good, so anything better than that is great.


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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Tom and Beth]
      #6160236 - 10/27/13 06:00 AM

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As far as comets go it IS brighter than the average Comet, and worth getting up early for a peek.




So far, ISON is not remarkable at all -- an entirely typical, faint telescopic comet.

What makes ISON special is the fact that it's going to pass extremely close to the Sun -- something quite rare for a comet of its intrinsic brightness. That means that it has a small but not negligible chance of putting on a truly impressive display after it passes the Sun on Thanksgiving.

Early on, there was also hope that it would look impressive leading up to Thanksgiving, but that's pretty much ruled out now.


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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Tony Flanders]
      #6160442 - 10/27/13 10:09 AM

A few months ago I started researching scopes to get a Dob. Said dob is arriving next week, but the funny thing was how vendors were stating that I had to get a telescope to enjoy the comet of the century and all. As if the night sky is not full of wonders...

I didn't order the dob for that reason, my 80mm APO refractor is more than capable to assist if ISON decides to meet everybody's expectations as stated over the course of the last few months, but much ado about nothing it seems - although I would looooove to be pleasantly surprised....


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Re: Comet ISON_Please... new [Re: Edward E]
      #6160599 - 10/27/13 11:43 AM

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I don't know what others think but I'm already tired of the Comet ISON silliness. For a faint comet with little hope that it will blossom into something, it sure has captured a lot of attention. From "for pay" Comet ISON viewing with David Levy, constant media blurbs to Comet ISON photo contest with Sky&Tel it all is too much. Comet Hale Bopp or Comet Hyakutake did not generate nearly as much "hoopla" as ISON has even though the others were far brighter and easily viewable over a long period of time. If we are going to tout a "viewable" comet this fall-winter then it should be Comet Encke; its far brighter, has an interesting past and puts on a nice display each time around. I say, forget Comet ISON unless it blooms into something worth noting. OK, rant OFF.




The potentially overblown hoopla over comet Ison is nothing compared to the two classic episodes of overblown comet hoopla, both of which I vividly remember (including the letdowns):
1) Comet Kohoutek in 1973 (closest analogy to Ison if Ison turns out to enormously underperform early hopeful expectations);
2) Halley's return in 1986 (because its passage was at much farther distance and less favorable altitude for North American observers than its vivid 1910 apparition).

Edited by FirstSight (10/29/13 11:10 AM)


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Gary Z
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Re: Comet ISON_Please... [Re: FirstSight]
      #6163930 - 10/29/13 04:01 AM

I can appreciate the sentiment that the hype around ISON is rather silly. But for many, including myself, we were not able to get into astronomy until more recently. The first comet I ever actually saw was PANSTARRS. The fact that several folks out there are taking the time to find it for themselves and share (You Tube), is encouraging. This event will help many new comers to celestial events that comets are unpredictable, but worth the find in a telescope.

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