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Skunky
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Reged: 09/16/13

Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!?
      #6172692 - 11/02/13 10:06 PM

 

Edited by WaterMaster (11/03/13 04:19 PM)


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Jon_Doh
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Reged: 09/16/11

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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: Skunky]
      #6173273 - 11/03/13 08:32 AM

So they're made at the Tasco factory in Torrance?

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Eddgie
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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: Skunky]
      #6173315 - 11/03/13 09:05 AM

If this is true, it is more liklely one or a combination of the following.

Lower volume. The big assembly line factory utilization is best leveraged when you make a lot of something and the model does not work as well for things you make fewer of.

If I can use my grinders and polishers to crank out 20 EdgeHD 8" in one day, but only two 14" EdgeHDs in the same time, I have people sitting around while both of my grinding machines are toiling over the big f/2 sperical mirrors.

The other factor is shipping.

International freight is based on the "Shipping Ton".

But the funny thing is that a shipping ton is not really a weeight, but rather a volume.

A "Freight Ton" (land shipping) is done by weigth, but a shipping ton is done by volume, and the volume of a shipping ton is 40 cubic feet.

Now as it turns out, this is roughly the size of a box that is one meter on all sides.

And the problem is that the cost per shipping ton had greatly increased in recend decades.

This is one of the reasons that many car manufactures started to build cars in the US. The cost of shipping them (a car is a lot of volume, hence many shippig tons) was getting to be a major offset for the higher assebly costs of the US.

Bottom line, you can squeeze a lot more EdgeHD 8" scopes into a container than you can 14" EdgeHD scopes.

And my guess is that someone did the math and decided that for the low volumes and the difference in shipping cost by volume, it just made more sense to build them in the US.

I seriously doubt that quality was an issue becuase Synta is proving that it can build really excellent SCTs.

They are where Japan was in the 70s. They are showing the world that they can go toe to toe with any manufacturing country on earth.

To think that they somehow can't build the Edge 14 as well as the Edge 8 is to not give them the credit they deserve.

Economics.. These kinds of things are almost always just plain, simple economics.

Edited by Eddgie (11/03/13 09:06 AM)


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Bill Barlow
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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: Skunky]
      #6173446 - 11/03/13 10:29 AM

I thought all Celestron telescopes are now made/built in China. This is news to me.

Bill


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Calypte
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Reged: 03/20/07

Loc: Anza, California
Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: Bill Barlow]
      #6174390 - 11/03/13 08:07 PM

Back in '09 or '10, a former Celestron employee (he's with a hi-end scope manufacturer now) told me the EdgeHD scopes were made in Torrance. I expressed surprise, since I thought they were all made in China, but he insisted that he had seen them being assembled in Torrance. I've always been puzzled by this gentleman's comment. The preceding posts suggest that it depends upon which scopes you're talking about.

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jrbarnett
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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: Calypte]
      #6174551 - 11/03/13 09:47 PM

So I guess it's just the cardboard boxes for the Edge HD scopes that are "Made in China". (The boxes in which the Edge HD OTAs ship are printed "Made in China".)

Regards,

Jim


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ourobouros2k2
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Reged: 11/10/11

Loc: okc area, oklahoma
Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #6174602 - 11/03/13 10:23 PM

awhile back, if you follow celestron on FB, they released a video of final assembly of the edge HD tubes. I am not saying it was in china, but all the chinese ladies building the scopes my disagree.

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jrbarnett
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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: ourobouros2k2]
      #6174610 - 11/03/13 10:27 PM

I dunno. Ever been to Torrance?

Or maybe it was cheaper to use precious cargo space shipping the workers here than the finished OTAs.

Kidding aside, they're made in China folks.

Though as Chinese labor rates and standard of living rise, and ours falls, that may change at some point. Apple is manufacturing the new Mac Pro here in the US of A, and considering bringing manufacturing of other products "home" too.

- Jim


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ourobouros2k2
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Reged: 11/10/11

Loc: okc area, oklahoma
Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #6174685 - 11/03/13 11:30 PM

heheh. I have been trying since my post to find that video, my only explanation is that it is no longer on the site, the facebook page, or youtube.

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my_universe
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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #6176131 - 11/04/13 07:35 PM

Quote:

Kidding aside, they're made in China folks.

- Jim




Sez you.

Sez Astronomy, Dec. 2013, p. 52, in an article by senior editor Michael Bakich entitled "Behind the Scenes at Celestron":

"Many of Celestron's products come fully assembled from the company's plant in China. Workers at the Torrance, California, plant, however, still create one optical tube assembly -- that of the 14-inch EdgeHD. Here's how they do it..."


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Starhawk
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Reged: 09/16/08

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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: my_universe]
      #6176336 - 11/04/13 09:32 PM

I believe MyUniverse has the match on that one.

-Rich


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Stewww
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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: Starhawk]
      #6177738 - 11/05/13 04:20 PM

Mine said "Made in China" on the box the tube was in...

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jrbarnett
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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: Stewww]
      #6178339 - 11/05/13 10:32 PM

If you still have the OTA shipping box, it'd be great to take a picture of the narrow end of the box with the "Made in China" stamp.

It would certainly give the author of the 2013 article some serious 'splaining to do.

Regards,

Jim

Edited by jrbarnett (11/05/13 10:33 PM)


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Skunky
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Reged: 09/16/13

Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: my_universe]
      #6178463 - 11/06/13 12:20 AM

 

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T1R2
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Reged: 06/11/13

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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: Skunky]
      #6178570 - 11/06/13 02:23 AM

As of o8' It was on their website it think, that the 11-14" otas were made in USA, and the 8-9.25" in Mex.(don't know about other otas like the 5,6 or the refractors) I know that's changed now, but I still think the 11-14 are USA, my 11 is USA and its a 08'

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WesC
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Reged: 02/06/13

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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: T1R2]
      #6178574 - 11/06/13 02:29 AM

My C11 edge says made in China.

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Wmacky
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Reged: 11/24/07

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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: T1R2]
      #6178805 - 11/06/13 08:59 AM

Quote:

As of o8' It was on their website it think, that the 11-14" otas were made in USA, and the 8-9.25" in Mex.(don't know about other otas like the 5,6 or the refractors) I know that's changed now, but I still think the 11-14 are USA, my 11 is USA and its a 08'




Mexico? Next to the Meade plant?


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Bill Barlow
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Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: T1R2]
      #6178956 - 11/06/13 10:37 AM

Didn't all of Celestron's manufacturing go over to China in/around 2010? I don' t think that Celestron ever manufactured anything in Mexico like Meade is now doing.

Bill


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rlandsboro
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Reged: 02/23/12

Loc: Scottsdale, AZ. USA
Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: jrbarnett]
      #6179051 - 11/06/13 11:34 AM Attachment (39 downloads)

Quote:

If you still have the OTA shipping box, it'd be great to take a picture of the narrow end of the box with the "Made in China" stamp.




Here is the end of my C14EdgeHD box received last week.


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rlandsboro
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Reged: 02/23/12

Loc: Scottsdale, AZ. USA
Re: Celestron Edge HD14 USA Made!? new [Re: rlandsboro]
      #6179054 - 11/06/13 11:36 AM Attachment (34 downloads)

And for added info, here is the label from the side of the box identifying the C14 EdgeHD OTA.

Edited by rlandsboro (11/06/13 11:37 AM)


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