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spongebob@55
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Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific
      #6173381 - 11/03/13 09:55 AM

I spoke to ES the other day about their Bresser Messier line of scopes. Evidently, they are going to sell/distribute them here in the USA. Since I was interested in a 127 with a longer f/l, I noted they have a 127L f/9.4 1200mm f/l achromat. It has a single speed 2" focuser with 1.25" adapter, an illuminated straight through finder with large center circle, 2" standard diagonal with brass ring, its collimatable and a pull off dew shield, rings and rail. A 26mm EP Messier EP. $450 shipped.
Can anyone who has one tell me about the quality of the optics and build? And anything else? Would love to get this scope.
Thanks
Bob

Edited by spongebob@55 (11/03/13 04:23 PM)


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DaveG
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Re: Messier 127L f/9.4 f/l1200 by Explore Scientific new [Re: spongebob@55]
      #6173555 - 11/03/13 11:26 AM

It's probably very similar to the old Meade AR5, so I bet it's an excellent achromat. The AR5 I had was made extremely well, pretty much built like tank. Optics were top notch and it was an excellent performer on double stars and for lunar/planetary work. CA will be there obviously, but it's no worse than what you get out of the Celestron 102.

That's a darn good price considering Astrozap sells the same scope for $579.


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spongebob@55
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Re: Messier 127L f/9.4 f/l1200 by Explore Scientific new [Re: DaveG]
      #6173989 - 11/03/13 03:52 PM

Quote:

It's probably very similar to the old Meade AR5, so I bet it's an excellent achromat. The AR5 I had was made extremely well, pretty much built like tank. Optics were top notch and it was an excellent performer on double stars and for lunar/planetary work. CA will be there obviously, but it's no worse than what you get out of the Celestron 102.

That's a darn good price considering Astrozap sells the same scope for $579.




I was also thinking that it would be very similar to the AR-5. But I couldn't really find much about this Messier. Its sold in Europe, but only is starting out here through Explore Sci. A little disappointed that it has a single speed focuser, but as long as the optics are good, I can always change that out once I would find it to be under performing. I have the Celestron 102mm f9.8 and just love it so with out going too big or fast is perfect for me and perhaps for others not wanting a very fast refractor.
I have some questions into ES and hope to discuss with them tomorrow. I will hope the spec that ES/JOC specified will be good. It could be a winner if it has good performance for an achromat.
BTW, ES will sell 'long' and 'short' focal length Messier Achromats in sizes up to 152mm. Also will be selling a less expensive, non water proof eyepiece line under the Messier name too.
Regards,
Spongebob


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John Huntley
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Re: Messier 127L f/9.4 f/l1200 by Explore Scientific new [Re: spongebob@55]
      #6174017 - 11/03/13 04:13 PM

I've owned a Bresser Messier 127L and a Meade AR5 LXD75 (with the collimatible objective cell) and they seemed to be identical except for the branding. Optically, the Bresser was the better scope though so there might be some variation in the quality of these.

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Ennis
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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: spongebob@55]
      #6174391 - 11/03/13 08:08 PM

The Bresser website states that the 127L is f/8.

http://www.bresser.com/telescopes/messier_ar127l.html

How did you come up with f/9.4?

Edited by Ennis (11/03/13 08:08 PM)


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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: Ennis]
      #6174403 - 11/03/13 08:17 PM

The info on the Bresser site is incorrect. The 127L has a 1200mm focal length and sports a 127mm objective, which is the exact same specs as the Meade AR5. It's a f/9.4 achro.

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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: DaveG]
      #6174854 - 11/04/13 04:39 AM

I have had my Bresser AR127L for a few weeks now and for how little it cost im very impressed with the quality of the optics you do get some CA around bright objects like Jupiter and the moon and the very bright stars like vega and cappela etc but its not a massive amount and easly controlled with the correct filter ..as for build quality its solid and very well built ..

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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: darren8se]
      #6174855 - 11/04/13 04:40 AM

oh and on the side of the scope it says F9.5 so I can confirm that the specs on the Europe website are incorrect hope this helps

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Ennis
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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: darren8se]
      #6175273 - 11/04/13 11:30 AM

Is this Bresser 127L scope available right now in the USA?

Thank you.


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Ennis
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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: spongebob@55]
      #6175304 - 11/04/13 11:52 AM

I just spoke with "Jacob" (via on-line chat) at Explore Scientific, and he told me that they have the scope in stock but are undergoing some sort of price change, etc. He promised to send me updated information later this week.

E.


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spongebob@55
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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: Ennis]
      #6175327 - 11/04/13 12:10 PM

Price change? They better not change this price after quoting me it directly a couple of weeks ago. I did ask for the price of the Messier 152mm and it was higher than the Celestron synta so I asked how they were going to compete with a scope that already was lower in price and established. Also their Messier 102mm has stiff competition and must be priced right to compete with the excellent 102mm f9.8 even priced at the 'regular' price and not $59 ;-). Of course they could load them up with accessories, but at this level, they're not what some of us would use since we have stuff like diagonals, EPs, etc. I guess it comes down to the demographic they're targeting. They're doing the same with their Bresser EPs they're coming out with....no gas purging, not water proof but the same glass and lower pricing...

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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: spongebob@55]
      #6176791 - 11/05/13 04:50 AM







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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: UND_astrophysics]
      #6176801 - 11/05/13 05:13 AM

Hey, at least their not looking at the ground and they have an ep in there...

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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: T1R2]
      #6176808 - 11/05/13 05:32 AM

But what are they looking at in the far northeast daytime sky?


Clear skies!
Thomas, Denmark


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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: Astrojensen]
      #6176868 - 11/05/13 07:12 AM

Quote:

But what are they looking at in the far northeast daytime sky?








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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: UND_astrophysics]
      #6177585 - 11/05/13 02:53 PM

I thought I was the only one to see that movie.

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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: mattz]
      #6177621 - 11/05/13 03:16 PM

I saw the movie too on flight to Japan. Very odd movie. It doesn't end well.

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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: PeterR280]
      #6177634 - 11/05/13 03:27 PM

What movie is it? I think I've seen it, but I am not sure.


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Ennis
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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific new [Re: Astrojensen]
      #6178141 - 11/05/13 08:31 PM

Yes, you might tell us what movie it is! I assure you that few of us know. Is that Kiefer Sutherland in the pic?

OK, let me guess: "Melancholia" (2011), right?

Edited by Ennis (11/05/13 09:01 PM)


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Re: Bresser Messier 127L f/9.4 from Explore Scientific [Re: Ennis]
      #6178190 - 11/05/13 09:02 PM

The name of the movie is Melancholia.

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