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korborh
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #6198982 - 11/16/13 09:43 PM

Saw the CEM60 in person at ASAE today.
The build quality is looks good but clearly not to the level of SB or AP.
Also the 60lb. capacity is for visual not imaging. The design is intriguing though. It was not clear to me that this design is mechanically more robust than a GEM.


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Whichwayisnorth
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: korborh]
      #6199011 - 11/16/13 10:04 PM

Quote:

Saw the CEM60 in person at ASAE today.
The build quality is looks good but clearly not to the level of SB or AP.
Also the 60lb. capacity is for visual not imaging. The design is intriguing though. It was not clear to me that this design is mechanically more robust than a GEM.




If they are saying that the 60lb is for visual did they mention what they believe it will do for imaging?


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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #6199016 - 11/16/13 10:07 PM

You do realize that the mount being displayed is en Engineering sample....and not the final public release.

Andy


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korborh
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #6199024 - 11/16/13 10:14 PM

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If they are saying that the 60lb is for visual did they mention what they believe it will do for imaging?




No they did not mention....I guess we will have to wait until real world tests are out.


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Whichwayisnorth
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: korborh]
      #6199031 - 11/16/13 10:19 PM

Yah as soon as they send me one I'll let you all know.

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Roy McCoy
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Whichwayisnorth]
      #6199056 - 11/16/13 10:34 PM Attachment (95 downloads)

Picture from the show today.
The counterweight is a battery pack. You can just see the cord plugged in the top.

Edited by Roy McCoy (11/16/13 10:35 PM)


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Roy McCoy
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Roy McCoy]
      #6199059 - 11/16/13 10:37 PM Attachment (74 downloads)

Another.

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Astronewb
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Roy McCoy]
      #6199118 - 11/16/13 11:18 PM

Thanks for the nice images Roy, tell us, did you get to hear the mount slewing? And what did you think of the sounds if you did.

Regards...Paul


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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Astronewb]
      #6199128 - 11/16/13 11:23 PM

I read that its stepper based, a novelty for iOptron, but used by Vixen (sxd2), sky watcher, and Takahashi.

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Roy McCoy
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Astronewb]
      #6199183 - 11/16/13 11:50 PM

Hi Paul,

I did not get to hear it slewing. It was tracking and that was very quite and smooth. I put my hand on it and could not really feel a thing. Not really a good test though.

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Roy


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Astronewb
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: orlyandico]
      #6199187 - 11/16/13 11:52 PM

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I read that its stepper based, a novelty for iOptron, but used by Vixen (sxd2), sky watcher, and Takahashi.




And I enquired about the 'Realtime PEC' and was told that the version with the high precision encoders installed would automatically monitor all periodic error and apply corrections in realtime, so PPEC as we know it is not needed, nor is it necessary.

Instead of RPEC, why not just call it 'high precision encoders'..? Seems kind of like inventing a acronym for a known result?

Oh well, plenty of time to find out more about that.

Cheers...Paul


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Christopher Erickson
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Astronewb]
      #6199319 - 11/17/13 02:28 AM

This is a re-invention of the classic English Cross Axis Mount.

It is a very-old design.


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Wmacky
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Christopher Erickson]
      #6199377 - 11/17/13 04:13 AM

Extremely interesting. Could this substitute for the Mach one that I had been thinking about, and therefore save my marriage!

Edited by Wmacky (11/17/13 04:15 AM)


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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: Wmacky]
      #6199495 - 11/17/13 08:30 AM

CEM= Chinese Equatorial Mount? This mount looks amazing. It sure looks like the bigger version of the ZEQ25.

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Astronewb
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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. new [Re: coinboy1]
      #6199513 - 11/17/13 08:46 AM

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CEM= Chinese Equatorial Mount? This mount looks amazing. It sure looks like the bigger version of the ZEQ25.




Shhh....! It's officially a 'Center balanced Equatorial Mount'. But we can read between the lines?

Best...Paul


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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. [Re: Astronewb]
      #6199556 - 11/17/13 09:25 AM

They have not yet firmed up the price but they said that the standard encoder version would be between $2000 to $3000 and the higher precision encoder version would be between $3000 to $4000.

JohnD

Edited by johnpd (11/17/13 09:26 AM)


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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. [Re: johnpd]
      #6199576 - 11/17/13 09:41 AM

It is going to be interesting how these stack up with the EQ8. Exciting times.

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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. [Re: Stew57]
      #6199605 - 11/17/13 10:06 AM

if the standard version with 6" PE is $2500 it will demolish the mid-market mounts (if it lives up to the claims).

we've all been moaning and groaning about there being no competent mount between the CGEM class and the Mach1 class (except the G11 - which has its own fans and haters). This looks right smack in the middle.

again, lots of ifs but $2500 is a mount sweet spot that has gone un-addressed for a long time (non-GoTo G11 is $2000 but it's over $3000 with Gemini 2).

I can believe the encoder version would cost $1000 more, based on my own research into encoders. It is not clear to me what type of encoder they fit in there.. probably a small Renishaw REXM or similar..


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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. [Re: ur7x]
      #6199634 - 11/17/13 10:30 AM

Quote:

Quote:

From the specs, the "Meridian treatment" is: "Stop (0-15º pass), auto flip, continue."


Paul




Yes, I was commenting on "continue" mode... In that mode it will plow past the meridian until the user interrupts it...

In continue mode... The mount basically ignores the Meridian. While this is a "use at your own risk mode" for AP on short tube or pier mounted OTAs this is a VERY cool and desirable option.




Theres only one mount for east to west


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Re: iOptron CEM60, not a rumor anymore. [Re: Pinbout]
      #6199674 - 11/17/13 11:00 AM

No there's not. And most people can't and don't need to spend 10K on a mount, nice as it might be, even if they can.

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