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dgmoses
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10 Micron GM2000HPS
      #6251149 - 12/13/13 03:28 PM

I'm considering purchasing this mount. At $20K a pop I'd like to know more about it than the manufacturer's fluff. Does anyone know anything about this mount? Do you own one? How do you like it?

Don


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bseltzer
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: dgmoses]
      #6251407 - 12/13/13 05:41 PM

I've no experience at all with any part of the 10 Micron line nor do I know any one that has. But it occurs to me that if you've got a $20K budget, I can think of at least 4 more 'mainstream' vendors that produce top flight mounts at or near that price point. Have you looked the offerings from say, ASA, Astro-Physics, Software Bisque, or Parallax? If so, I'd be interested to know why you found them wanting.

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David PavlichAdministrator
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: dgmoses]
      #6251426 - 12/13/13 05:53 PM

From what I've read, they are good mounts, but not many in the states. For your budget and depending on what you're going to be mounting, there's a LOT of mounts out there that have long track records. I would add Mathis Instruments to the mix as well.

David


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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: David Pavlich]
      #6252343 - 12/14/13 09:45 AM

I have this mount now for 2 years and i LOVE IT!!! It suchs an advanced mount! Really good build quality. I use it for comet observing. the software is really advanced, and the speed / noise is really nice! Sounds very good. Finishing touch is great.
You can make a pointing model up to 100 stars without the use of a computer!!!


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Per Frejvall
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: SPACEMAN]
      #6252437 - 12/14/13 10:52 AM

And I have the GM1000HPS and the GM2000HPS. Wouldn't want anything else as I like imaging unguided and have done one-hour subs with the 2000. The sky model is in the mount, a feature unique to 10Micron, so it doesn't even need a computer to track and point within single digit arcseconds.

I believe there is ample support to be had from the new US rep so that wouldn't be a show stopper in my book.

My very personal opinion is that many of the top-end mounts are slightly dated in design. They have held the throne for a long time and now have some serious competition from modern mounts.

Oh, final note: don't get anything that doesn't have absolute encoders from the factory.

/per


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dgmoses
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: dgmoses]
      #6254081 - 12/15/13 09:48 AM

Thanks to all who commented on this mount. I might add that the $20K price includes everything; case, weights, tripod, etc. This is in line with what an AP1100GTO with absolute encoders would cost. It would seem this is a relatively new mount to the US market, and so not much in the way of owner experience on this side of the pond. Should I purchase one I'll certainly report my experiences with it.

Don


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contedracula
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: Per Frejvall]
      #6254311 - 12/15/13 11:31 AM

I'm Italian and know very well the 10micron,

The is very good product but the cost / performance ratio here in USA is too unattractive.

If you live in Europe the purchase is a good choice because the assistance is directed, instead you buy in US I have too many doubts for it, with the assistance 6k miles away I think is not the right choice.
For now, I still prefer my Astro-Physics

Besides, spend 20000 bucks for tracking the ISS, no thanks!

Thanks
Gianluca


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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: contedracula]
      #6254354 - 12/15/13 11:58 AM

I believe any North and South America customers could buy it from Deep Space Products in the US and get good support from Ed.

http://www.deepspaceproducts.com/mounts_8_4232.html

I have no affiliation with Deep Space Products, just though I'd throw that it since support was mentioned.

Guylain


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contedracula
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: guyroch]
      #6254532 - 12/15/13 01:41 PM

ED iis a great professional and I've bought many things from him with great communication. But a 10micron Mount can't be assisted by phone or email in case of necessity.

If you have a serious problem, probably the Mount should be sent to Italy
Thanks
Gianluca


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contedracula
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: contedracula]
      #6254542 - 12/15/13 01:48 PM

I firmly believe in two things

- Astro-Physics is not competitive in Europe, because the cost is too high after import
- 10micron is not competitive in the US for the same reason

But are both two FineArt products with many " Loyal Consumers "

Thanks
Gianluca

Edited by contedracula (12/15/13 01:49 PM)


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EFT
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: contedracula]
      #6254594 - 12/15/13 02:28 PM

Quote:

ED iis a great professional and I've bought many things from him with great communication. But a 10micron Mount can't be assisted by phone or email in case of necessity.

If you have a serious problem, probably the Mount should be sent to Italy
Thanks
Gianluca




Besides my support here in the US, the mounts can also be connected to and diagnosed remotely from here or Italy. It's a lot easier to do that today than it was not very long ago.

Edited by EFT (12/15/13 03:22 PM)


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contedracula
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: EFT]
      #6254712 - 12/15/13 03:55 PM

It's true and this can be solved if it is a software problem, but if not?
The mounts who have had problems, purchased by amateur astronomers in Italy ( two friends of mine ) were shipped to 10micron warehouse, in fact the diagnosis identifies the problem but if this is serious cannot be resolved remotely.

When I had problems with an AP1200, in Italy anyone has been able to resolve the problem directly, but only after the intervention, before of Baader and after the Rolando's staff in USA.

So, my opinion is not against 10micron but it's an objective difficulty when you purchase a product CONUS non-native.

This is acceptable with a low cost product, as Chinese brand, but if I buy a Zonda or a RR, I pretend the car service in my home garden

Thanks
Gianluca


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EFT
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: contedracula]
      #6254965 - 12/15/13 06:14 PM

Hardware problems can also be diagnosed remotely to a certain level. Regardless, I will be handling servicing in the US, not just sales, so if someone somehow manages to drop their mount out the back of their truck or otherwise mess it up, it will be coming to me for service. You can't really expect to sell equipment like this on any kind of competitive basis without having support on the same continent and we understand that. The idea is to have the service be smoother than the problem you had with the other manufacturer, if it is ever required. There is no way that anyone is going to want to send a GM2000HPS back and forth across the Atlantic if some kind of service is needed. We not only sell, we represent 10Micron in the US on this basis.

Edited by EFT (12/15/13 09:35 PM)


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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: EFT]
      #6255203 - 12/15/13 08:40 PM

So, Ed, have you had a look inside?

Can you share with the world the model number of the encoder used? or is that an NDA item?


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EFT
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: orlyandico]
      #6255244 - 12/15/13 09:05 PM

Quote:

So, Ed, have you had a look inside?

Can you share with the world the model number of the encoder used? or is that an NDA item?




You don't take apart a mount like these just for fun and yes, the internal specifications are not for me to divulge.


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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: EFT]
      #6255382 - 12/15/13 10:21 PM

Lol!

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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: orlyandico]
      #6255400 - 12/15/13 10:33 PM

Quote:

So, Ed, have you had a look inside?

Can you share with the world the model number of the encoder used? or is that an NDA item?



They are paranoid. It is amazing that they let Ed make user manuals available for download. Try to find user manuals on their website. A very weird company.


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orlyandico
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: Alph]
      #6255436 - 12/15/13 11:00 PM

I'm inclined to believe it's because there's a thoroughly pedestrian off-the-shelf encoder inside. Nothing wrong with that, but it would reveal that anybody with a Renishaw, Heidenhain, or Stegmann catalog can produce an encoder mount. The magic is getting it out the door at a certain price, because throwing enough money at something will always buy better performance.

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EFT
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: Alph]
      #6255457 - 12/15/13 11:21 PM

Quote:

Quote:

So, Ed, have you had a look inside?

Can you share with the world the model number of the encoder used? or is that an NDA item?



They are paranoid. It is amazing that they let Ed make user manuals available for download. Try to find user manuals on their website. A very weird company.




Nothing paranoid about it. Some of their competitors are already taking pot shots at them. Are they expected to supply a complete parts list, specifications and design drawings for their mounts in a competitive environment when they design something that no one else if offering? I will see if maybe I can pass on some more information on the encoder, but does it really matter what brand the stuff is if it works as promised? I know that many of us are curious about the inner workings of products, but besides that innate curiosity, the only reason to know some things is so that they can be passed on and copied by competitors (something that is thought to happen on a frequent basis in certain Far Eastern countries). A smart company does not always give away all its secrets. For those that really know about absolute encoders, they know that there aren't many companies out there that provide them and could probably come up with a short list of the possible suspects in this case pretty quickly.


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orlyandico
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Re: 10 Micron GM2000HPS new [Re: EFT]
      #6255460 - 12/15/13 11:22 PM

Correct, there is no real mystery with regards to the encoders.

The only reason I'm curious is because I'm frankly astounded at the price of the 1000HPS, knowing what I do about how much absolute encoders cost.


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