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KennyJ
   
Reged: 04/27/03
Posts: 10163
Loc: Lancashire UK
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The road sweeper from that celestially forsaken place called Tyneside has been pestering me for some time now to carry out a side by side comparison between my Zeiss dialyt 7 x 42 classic and his 7 x 42 FL .
Note that in spite of having owned the FLs for about a year now , and having been a regular contributor to the CN forums ever since ( apart from immediately following a brief spell of dummy throwing from his pram ) the acid - tongued one has made no attempt to write a review of his own , through which to enlighten us shallower - pocketed souls .
Having no access to personal transport or computer , and refusing to provide a personal telephone number through which to contact him , I'm not sure just HOW this man expects ME to meet him to conduct such a bino shoot - out .
In any case , given his record of having accused me of :
(a) bestiality ( with repeated references to my passion for sheep watching )
(b) bisexuality ( with comments about a gold necklace which was presented to me as a gift )
(c) miserliness ( with repeated derogatory comments about a shirt I own )
(d) having doubtable origins and social status ( with reference to my physical appearance ) and ,
(e) suffering from a form of insanity which at one time was believed to be affected by changes of the moon --
to list but FIVE different lines of personal attack , I am surprised this man has the nerve to even dare meet me in the flesh ( expecially given my clear advantage by ways of intellectual capacity , wordly experience and a strongly suspected advantage in REACH )
Of course , so little is actually known about the physical attributes of Napier , that for all we know he could be a six foot six , 300 pound , kick - boxing champion , but let me assure you folks -- even if he is , he will not frighten me .
When I wrote my review of the 7 x 42 BGAT , the few aspects I suggested COULD be improved upon , included the narrow central focussing wheel , those foldable rubber eyecups ( for wearers of glasses and the fashion conscious especially ) the " waterproofing " and the general appearance of the binocular ( debatable at worst ).
I might even have mentioned the slightly noticeable CA too , at the very edges of the field of view .
Well , it would seem that ALL those points have been addressed by Zeiss in the FL model , which has now officially superceded the old classic .
That much ( or little ), plus the ability to focus slightly closer with the FLs , can be quite safely deduced from a cursory glance at the technical specifications and promotional spiel offered on Zeiss web sites .
Apart from those things ( which may well prove worth the not inconsiderable 35% price difference to SOME people ) and that strange but true "status symbol factor " associated with " owning the best " which affects many of us , it WOULD , I concede , be interesting to ACTUALLY compare the two side by side .
Obviously , in the case of these two owners , the presence of a REFEREE may prove prudent .
I will keep members posted of any further developments , but don't hold your breath -- this Napier is an elusive character .
Regards , Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Mark9473
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Reged: 07/21/05
Posts: 2703
Loc: 51°N 4°E
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Haha, Kenny, rarely in the time I've been following this forum, have I been so eager to open a message and start reading it. This is a shoot-out I'm definitely interested in! As an introduction for something that might still come, it's quite a good start actually!
-------------------- Mark
Leica 8x20; Vixen 8x42; Swift 8.5x44, 10x50 and 20x80; TS 7x50; Orion 15x63
WO Megrez II 80 FD + Baader 90° T2 Amici
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brocknroller
Carpal Tunnel
   
Reged: 10/16/03
Posts: 1517
Loc: Liberal, Kansas
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Kenny,
If a street sweeper in England makes enough money to buy a Zeiss 7x42 FL, that must mean either they sell for a lot less in the UK than they do in the states, or they pay street sweepers "pounds" and "pounds" of £s. Have broom, will travel. :-)
For the face-off, I suggest you turn back-to-back against a two-sided RAF chart, armed with your respective Zeiss bins, then take ten paces, turn around and point the bins at the chart and shout out the smallest line you can see. Who wins will depend on who has the steadest hands (offer him a well-brewed cup o' English tea and a chocolate covered Jaffa Cake before the match, but you drink only herbal tea and refrane from eating, tell him you're on a diet :-).
All jest and jocularity aside, I scoff at bin reviewers who test 7X birding bins on a tripod since it will probably never be used mounted, at least for birding. What's more important is the handheld resolution, and that will depend less on the slight difference in optical resolution between the bins than their power and ergonomics and the steadiness of your hands. But the ultimate test of a birding binoculars resolution is the eyes and mind of the birder. A knowledgeable and experienced birder with a Bushnell Natureview will "resolve" subtle field markings on a bird better than a less knowledgeable, less experienced birder with a high-end bin.
-------------------- Oscar Zoroaster Diggs
"O.Z."
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"And remember, my sentimental friend....a heart is not judged by how much you love,
but by how much you are loved by others."
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KennyJ
   
Reged: 04/27/03
Posts: 10163
Loc: Lancashire UK
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Brock ,
Thanks for the " shoot - out tips "
I was also planning on sneakily spraying a coat of matte black on to the FL objectives while Steve's back was turned.
If a " shoot - out " is to have any meaning , BOTH of us are going to need a little quality time with BOTH binoculars , preferably without the inconvenience of the other one sticking the boot in at the same time .
I know nothing about Steve's income or financial position , and neither have I any right to do so , but all I can say is if a person TRULY on lower income is willing to scrimp and save to obtain the very best binocular and telescope affordable , then every credit to that person .
It would make a refreshing change from the attitude of many other people ( probably myself included )
Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Steve Napier
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Reged: 05/10/04
Posts: 1559
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Good Morning Everyone. Now,where to start? I recently sent a PM to our esteemed moderator Edz asking if a 7x42 FL review was necessary as Kenny has reviewed the Dialyts. Edz,said I should go for it but,I later said that a direct comparison would be more productive and entertaining for the CN members. Despite me having no transport of my own,I have repeatedly made the offer to that long armed southerner for ME to travel by bus a great distance to meet him near his own patch. Kenny continues to make WEAK excuses that he can"t make it.
I don"t own much equipment but,that which I do own has been worked very hard for and,I consider it money well spent. ZEISS 7x42 T FL TMB 80/480 I thought very hard and long about these purchases despite,being mentaly disadvantaged compared to Kenny,I think most would agree that MY gear is of decent quality. Kenny,a man of high intellect has a 4" refractor that would be better employed as a rolling pin. The moral of this episode being,NEVER JUDGE BY "APPARANT!!!" Intellect. I don"t have much money and everything I buy is seriously saved for.No doubt Kenny bought his Refractor on tick.
I must be honest,I HAVE accused Kenny of ALL those things he listed and,why not,they are ALL true.
As for my apperance,I refuse to place my photo on the web as,it would drive the women WILD! Im a cross between Carry Grant and Johnny Depp. And whilst on the subject of photos,isnt it about time Kenny placed a RECENT photo of himself for his avatar? Heaven knows what he looks like now probably,a bit like John Merrick I imagine.
I would like to meet Kenny in person just so I can say that Ive met a person? like that in real life as opposed to seeing them on the National Geographic channel!
I TOO will keep members informed as to the long awaited Dialyts/FL shootout.
I hope you all have a lovely day. Now,where"s that brush? Stevie Depp.
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KennyJ
   
Reged: 04/27/03
Posts: 10163
Loc: Lancashire UK
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< And whilst on the subject of photos,isnt it about time Kenny placed a RECENT photo of himself for his avatar >
Done !
Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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brocknroller
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Reged: 10/16/03
Posts: 1517
Loc: Liberal, Kansas
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Steve,
I admire your hard work and perserverence in saving up to purchase your high-end optics. I acquired most of my bins through trades or cash + trades deals since every time I've tried to save for a high-end bin, some financial pot hole (car repairs, vet bills, doctor bills, etc.) forced me to empty the piggy bank. So bravo to you!
Fortunately, I still have a good head of hair, but after seeing Kenny's amazing transformation, I'm going to try Rogaine when the need arises. :-)
Even though I can't hold roofs steady because of my big mitts, I'd be interested in reading the results of the shoot-out. I'm sure more technically minded folks would like to see the RAF chart results, however, I'd be more interested in learning how the bins perform handheld on birds and the stars.
My ED binocular brings out subtle field markings on birds (I posted a comparison between my 10x50 ED and a Nikon 10x42 SE on this forum), but as I said above, someone who has little experience birdwatching probably wouldn't notice the difference. My guess is that the FLs will reveal more subtle markings on birds (try male Cardinals for a good test), control CA better though not eliminate it completely, provide overall brighter views and "snappier" colors, and resolve bright stars and the planets with less scatter than the B/GA under "good seeing" conditions. Having said all that, I'm sure I'd be perfectly happy with a 7x42 B/GA if I could hold it comfortably and steady in my hands. I find most porros much easier to hold.
-------------------- Oscar Zoroaster Diggs
"O.Z."
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"And remember, my sentimental friend....a heart is not judged by how much you love,
but by how much you are loved by others."
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ngc6475
Fearless Spectator
   
Reged: 03/02/02
Posts: 4790
Loc: Northern Sierra Foothills
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I fear that, if Steve and Kenny meet on the field of binocular battle, we may receive notice of a police report in the place of a comparison review. When the sordid news of violent conflict involving a Southern sheep fancier and a Northern pavement maintenance technician ultimately gains the attention of major broadcast news services, we will all be treated to photographs and film of our two favorite Brits under distinctly unwholesome circumstances. I recommend, therefore, the ground rules for this contest be laid out on this forum in advance, with strict guidelines that must be observed scrupulously. For example, I think it would be a good thing to leave all spray paint at home and to restrict sexual references to an absolute minimum in order to avoid any unpleasantries. The parameters for testing these two fine binoculars could be established, as well, which would provide a sense of higher purpose to this contest...to say nothing of giving the combatants something to distract them from their bitter rivalry. If we on this forum do not step up and help these two focus on the subject at hand, physical harm may come to them or, even worse, a precious Zeiss binocular might be inadvertently damaged. We must do our part to bring Kenny and Steve together in the spirit of brotherhood and respect.
And all livestock should be kept out of harm's way, too.
-------------------- Walter
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."
-Mark Twain
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KennyJ
   
Reged: 04/27/03
Posts: 10163
Loc: Lancashire UK
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< And all livestock should be kept out of harm's way, too. >
Walter ,
That was ALL very amusing to read , but I'm glad you saved THE best 'til last !
Kenny
-------------------- If everyone is thinking the same thing , no-one is thinking - General George S.Patton
Zeiss 7 x 42 BGAT
Captain's Helmsman 7 x 50
Nikon 10 x 42 Superior E
Swift Audubon Kestrel 10 x 50
Helios 15 x 70 Observation
Strathspey 20 x 90
Televue 76 APO
Zeiss 85 Diascope
Helios 102 f5 refractor
Various eyepieces barlows tripods mounts etc.
Panasonic Lumix DMC - TZ5 digital camera
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Steve Napier
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Reged: 05/10/04
Posts: 1559
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Hi Walter, That"s a fine idea. The 7x42 shootout may happen sooner then we think as Kenny has just invited me to his daughters wedding next year.
I"ll tell you this Walter,when Kenny"s daughter gets a look at me there"s a very good chance she will call it all off. Steve.
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