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RodgerHouTex
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: rmollise]
      #6481018 - 04/22/14 11:36 AM



Good one Unk!


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rmollise
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Shane LaPierre]
      #6481254 - 04/22/14 01:37 PM

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I'm pretty sure you have NO IDEA what you are talking about to make comments like that. Carry on.




I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. I have no idea, however, what you are talking about. Did you mean to reply to me or to someone else?


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alnitak22
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Chuck Hards]
      #6481307 - 04/22/14 02:02 PM

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NGT lives in NYC. He's never actually *seen* the night sky. Give him a break.

- Jim




You were probably being facetious, but NdGT was actually an avid amateur astronomer as teenager, even before he started college. He attended youth astronomy camps under dark skies, away from his urban home.




He's stIll into astronomy and uses an NP-101.


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alnitak22
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: rmollise]
      #6481315 - 04/22/14 02:04 PM

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I'm pretty sure you have NO IDEA what you are talking about to make comments like that. Carry on.




I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. I have no idea, however, what you are talking about. Did you mean to reply to me or to someone else?




Rod...he was replying to Steve Rosenow....just didn't do it correctly.


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Shane LaPierre
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: rmollise]
      #6481393 - 04/22/14 02:45 PM

Rod - you are fine.

It's others on this thread. Let's just keep it to forum topics. No need to bash people's faith, pastors, belief in God that supposedly disqualifies them from amateur astronomy or any other thoughtful engagement. And it was more than 1 person - so that's the reason I didn't reply to a single comment.

Back to the topic - astronomy has no rock stars. That's the main problem I have with the show. If I want to digest information on cosmology, astro-science, etc. TV will be pretty low on the list unless they can have a quality delivery: which means I really have to like the host, or actors. This show really lacks that appeal for me... so I just can't get into it.

As far as inaccuracies, I think I don't like the "selling" of the multiple universes idea next to the more factual parts of the program. It gives someone's "what if's" the same credibility as ideas which are likely based in fact. I would have to list cosmology as one of the most difficult areas of science - since we observe events which have already occurred and are removed by great distances of time and space. The show should stick to ideas grounded in observation. This goes into science-fiction too quickly for my taste.


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rmollise
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Shane LaPierre]
      #6481402 - 04/22/14 02:48 PM

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Rod - you are fine.






Thanks. When you are replying to someone, be sure to hit the REPLY button in the post you want to answer. Especially if, as in your post, you are calling someone out.


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alnitak22
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Shane LaPierre]
      #6481520 - 04/22/14 03:51 PM

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Rod - you are fine.

It's others on this thread. Let's just keep it to forum topics. No need to bash people's faith, pastors, belief in God that supposedly disqualifies them from amateur astronomy or any other thoughtful engagement. And it was more than 1 person - so that's the reason I didn't reply to a single comment.

Back to the topic - astronomy has no rock stars. That's the main problem I have with the show. If I want to digest information on cosmology, astro-science, etc. TV will be pretty low on the list unless they can have a quality delivery: which means I really have to like the host, or actors. This show really lacks that appeal for me... so I just can't get into it.

As far as inaccuracies, I think I don't like the "selling" of the multiple universes idea next to the more factual parts of the program. It gives someone's "what if's" the same credibility as ideas which are likely based in fact. I would have to list cosmology as one of the most difficult areas of science - since we observe events which have already occurred and are removed by great distances of time and space. The show should stick to ideas grounded in observation. This goes into science-fiction too quickly for my taste.




Shane....Tyson correctly observed that the multiverse was not fact. And while astronomy may have no rock stars, it's also true that there's no one close to Tyson in recognition.


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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: alnitak22]
      #6481616 - 04/22/14 04:44 PM

Interestingly enough, the recent data from BICEP2 lends support to the concept of a multiverse.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/multiverse-controversy-inflation-gr...

Dave Mitsky


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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: stevecoe]
      #6481633 - 04/22/14 04:51 PM

I was not aware of the unleaded gas story and found the last episode to be the most compelling to date.

Eric


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alnitak22
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Dave Mitsky]
      #6481639 - 04/22/14 04:54 PM

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Interestingly enough, the recent data from BICEP2 lends support to the concept of a multiverse.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/multiverse-controversy-inflation-gr...

Dave Mitsky




Yes, I had read about that too. I just wanted to point out that Tyson did not claim it as fact on COSMOS, though I have seen folks assert that he did.


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ylem
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Re: Error in new COSMOS [Re: beatlejuice]
      #6481644 - 04/22/14 04:57 PM

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I was not aware of the unleaded gas story and found the last episode to be the most compelling to date.

Eric




Yes, a lot of interesting tid bits on that show.


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Shane LaPierre
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: alnitak22]
      #6481791 - 04/22/14 06:28 PM

Agreed - he didn't present it as fact. But it leads me to the main issue I think the show is up against:

1) it is too weak to maintain strong appeal to those with moderate or more info on astronomy

2) there is no strong pull to "hook" the beginner in... (stronger host, better scripting, etc.) so they pull in ideas like the "Multiverse". Then all my friends ask me about this because that's the only thing they take from the show.

Just kind of a turn-off... only because I would love to sink my teeth into this series, but I just am not able to. I think there has always been an issue bringing astronomical/cosmological knowledge to the masses.


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rmollise
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Shane LaPierre]
      #6481809 - 04/22/14 06:36 PM

1. It's not designed to appeal to those who have more than a passing knowledge of astronomy.

2. My freshman astronomy students say you are utterly wrong. They love the show and Dr. Tyson.

3. Some peoples' religious and other views ensure they wouldn't care for the show no matter who hosted it.



Edited by rmollise (04/22/14 06:38 PM)


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Rick Woods
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: SteveRosenow]
      #6481836 - 04/22/14 06:47 PM

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And yet that is why religion has no business intermingling with science. It is also why I find a bit of hypocrisy in those who are in this hobby of amateur astronomy and at the same time attend the church (I have known a few personally). To me, the mere action of engaging in amateur astronomy and then going to church can be viewed by some as an oxymoron.




I don't understand. Why shouldn't a person embrace faith as well as science?
"Religion" doesn't necessarily mean fundamentalism.


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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Shane LaPierre]
      #6481845 - 04/22/14 06:51 PM

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Back to the topic - astronomy has no rock stars. That's the main problem I have with the show. If I want to digest information on cosmology, astro-science, etc. TV will be pretty low on the list unless they can have a quality delivery: which means I really have to like the host, or actors. This show really lacks that appeal for me... so I just can't get into it.





Yeah; that's where Sagan really delivered the goods.
Carl, we miss ye, laddie!


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alnitak22
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Shane LaPierre]
      #6481871 - 04/22/14 07:11 PM

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Agreed - he didn't present it as fact. But it leads me to the main issue I think the show is up against:

1) it is too weak to maintain strong appeal to those with moderate or more info on astronomy

2) there is no strong pull to "hook" the beginner in... (stronger host, better scripting, etc.) so they pull in ideas like the "Multiverse". Then all my friends ask me about this because that's the only thing they take from the show.

Just kind of a turn-off... only because I would love to sink my teeth into this series, but I just am not able to. I think there has always been an issue bringing astronomical/cosmological knowledge to the masses.




Well, Shane, we obviously have some very different friends. Many of my friends are only casually interested in astronomy or science and have absolutely loved the show as well as Tyson. If he turns you off, fine. There are obviously quite a few that respond favorably to both him and the show.


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alnitak22
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #6481883 - 04/22/14 07:16 PM

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And yet that is why religion has no business intermingling with science. It is also why I find a bit of hypocrisy in those who are in this hobby of amateur astronomy and at the same time attend the church (I have known a few personally). To me, the mere action of engaging in amateur astronomy and then going to church can be viewed by some as an oxymoron.




I don't understand. Why shouldn't a person embrace faith as well as science?
"Religion" doesn't necessarily mean fundamentalism.




I agree Rick that they're not necessarily mutually exclusive. The problem comes when some want to teach religion AS science in science class with public funds. And there is a well funded, vocal group that are bent on this very thing. Sagan was definitely opposed to this as is Tyson.


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stevecoe
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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: alnitak22]
      #6482243 - 04/22/14 10:35 PM

Let me make certain I have this correct:

I posted on this forum that I had spotted an error in the program that pointed out that few people making the COSMOS show are familiar with the sky.

Now, we are at evolution, science, what is a theory?, and a variety of other topics. Boy, am I sorry I posted to a modulated forum. Please shut this down.

Steve Coe


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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Dave Mitsky]
      #6482330 - 04/22/14 11:32 PM

Of course there's a multiverse. Where do you think I came from?



- Jim


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Re: Error in new COSMOS new [Re: Rick Woods]
      #6482363 - 04/22/14 11:53 PM

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And yet that is why religion has no business intermingling with science. It is also why I find a bit of hypocrisy in those who are in this hobby of amateur astronomy and at the same time attend the church (I have known a few personally). To me, the mere action of engaging in amateur astronomy and then going to church can be viewed by some as an oxymoron.




I don't understand. Why shouldn't a person embrace faith as well as science?
"Religion" doesn't necessarily mean fundamentalism.




IMO science and religion just don't mix nor belong together. There's nothing factually true in religious texts in relation to the origin of all we see, compared to scientific method which has thoroughly and wholeheartedly discredited the theory of 'Creationism' to an overwhelming degree of accuracy.


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