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Cotts
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$5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new
      #6481380 - 04/22/14 02:41 PM

You have exactly $5000 to spend on a visual telescope system. You must buy new, from retailers, not used. You have NO equipment at the moment so you have to purchase the whole enchilada - scope, eyepieces, mount, finder, go-to ( or not, as you see fit), etc.

what would be the best visual only system you could put together for $5k and not a penny more. We'll ignore shipping as it varies with country, distance etc.

(imaging systems are a different beast and would have to be in a similar but parallel thread)

Let the games begin!!!!

Dave


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Thomas Karpf
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Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: Cotts]
      #6481529 - 04/22/14 03:57 PM

$3,898 - New Moon Telescopes 12.5 f/4.93
$ 299 - Explore Scientific 20mm 100*
$ 349 - Explore Scientific 9mm 100*
$ 349 - Explore Scientific 5.5mm 100*
$ 40 - Rigel Quikfinder

$4,935


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Mr Greybush
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Reged: 05/16/13

Loc: Virginia
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: Thomas Karpf]
      #6481540 - 04/22/14 04:00 PM

forgot 1 piece a laser collimator.

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Mark Costello
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Loc: Matthews, NC, USA
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... [Re: Cotts]
      #6481709 - 04/22/14 05:31 PM

Two rigs, one of them would be a 110mm class ED refractor and manual Gem for about $1,600. Another $2,500 for a Teeter 10" F5 Dob or maybe a C8HD-AVX rig. The rest would be for 4-5 eyepieces and a Barlows lens.

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WesC
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Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: Mark Costello]
      #6481770 - 04/22/14 06:15 PM

I'd have to go down in aperture a bit but... if we're buying all new.

CGEM 800HD (on sale, $2250), SV 80mm APO triplet ($1200) Telrad ($35) 30mm ES82 ($299) 14mm ES100 ($299 on sale) 9mm ES100 ($249 on sale) TV 2x Powermate ($299) Baader 2" clicklock diagonal ($329)

$4960.

I would still probably try to buy used eyepieces, and go TeleVue.

As it is I have a similar setup but larger aperture (Edge 11 and SV105) and I'm loving it!


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tomcody
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Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: Cotts]
      #6481792 - 04/22/14 06:28 PM

Leica 82mm spotting scope with Leica ASPH eyepiece $3,900
Leica 1.8 extender $ 400
Leica or similar quality tripod and head $700
total $ 5,000
or
Meade 8" LX200 ACF $ 2,600
Leica ASPH $ 950
Panoptic 24 mm $ 300
Total $ 3,850
And I may go this way as we speak.
Rex


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csrlice12
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Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: tomcody]
      #6481798 - 04/22/14 06:31 PM

An acre or two of land in the middle of nowhere about an hour or so drive away...

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tomcody
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Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: csrlice12]
      #6481817 - 04/22/14 06:37 PM

Quote:

An acre or two of land in the middle of nowhere about an hour or so drive away...



Are you planning to lie on your back in the middle of the lot and look up?


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kfiscus
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Loc: Albert Lea, MN, USA
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: Thomas Karpf]
      #6481868 - 04/22/14 07:08 PM

Very impressive- followed the rules and came up with a nice set up.

My rig (breaking all of the rules of the OP) was bought used with the exception of the filter slide.

Z12 with refigured mirror, flockboard, springs, knobs $360
Atomic EQ Platform $300
Plywood, Teflon, Ebony Star, pro finish application for new dob mount $180
35 Pan $270
24 Pan $270
TV 13 T6 $220
TV 7 T6 $220
TV 5 T6 $220
TV 1.25" 2x Barlow $55
Telrad $35
Tublug and Glatter Collimator $190
Astrocrumb Filterslide $90
Four 2" Filters (Premium) $300

Total $2810. Obviously, much less expensive but it took a long time and lots of fun lurking here and on Astromart to pounce on good deals. You have to know what you want and be willing to wait.


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urassner
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Reged: 07/08/12

Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: kfiscus]
      #6482076 - 04/22/14 09:04 PM

ES 127 ED $1899 (OPT)
DM 4 with saddle, plate and tripod $1500 (OPT)
Pentax XW 10, 14 & 20 mm $825 (BHphotovideo)
ES 30 mm 82 deg $300 (OPT)
ES 2x focal extender 1.25'' $99 (OPT)
Baader OIII 2'' filter $119 (OPT)
DGM NPB filter $150 (DGM)
Astrozap Baader film solar filter $64 (OPT)


Total $4956

Love the ease and versatility of a refractor for all around scope. Short cool down times. Ready at a moments notice.


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dr.who
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Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: urassner]
      #6482309 - 04/22/14 11:22 PM

Option 1 the refractor :
Celestron AVX $800
Explore Scientific 127ED carbon fiber $2,500
Explore Scientific finderscope $170
Explore Scientific 100* 20mm EP $300
Explore Scientific 100* 14mm EP $400
Explore Scientific 82* 11mm EP $140
Explore Scientific 82* 6.7mm EP $140

Total: $4,449

Option 2 Refractor & Dobsonian combination
Celestron AVX $800
Explore Scientific 102ED Essentials $1,400
Explore Scientific finderscope $170
Orion XX12i IntelliScope Truss Dobsonian $1,379
Hotech laser collimator $150
Explore Scientific 100* 20mm EP $300
Explore Scientific 100* 14mm EP $400
Explore Scientific 82* 6.7mm EP $140

Total: $4,738

Option 3 refractor & SCT combination
Celestron AVX $800
Explore Scientific 102ED Essentials $1,400
Explore Scientific finderscope $170
Celestron EdgeHD 800 $1,169
Explore Scientific 100* 25mm EP $600
Explore Scientific 100* 14mm EP $400
Explore Scientific 82* 6.7mm EP $140

Total: $4,678

I like the versatility of the APO refractor and reflector since it's different tools for different targets. If pressed for one general purpose it would have to be the 127 refractor.

Note: pricing was pulled from OPT and Orion websites.

Edited by dr.who (04/22/14 11:33 PM)


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Jon Isaacs
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Loc: San Diego and Boulevard, CA
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: dr.who]
      #6482576 - 04/23/14 03:41 AM

Dave:

Fortunately your question is hypothetical, academic in nature. If I actually had lost all my equipment and had to start over, my first step would be to spend $15 on an Astromart subscription and go from there.

But under the rules of the game: 2 scopes, a faster 4 inch ED scope on an Vixen Portamount and truss Dob of some sort.

Lunt 102ED with a Vixen Portamount.. $1000

Biggest Dobstuff Dob available for $3000

Eyepieces and coma corrector: $850..

Starbound chair: $150.

Jon


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Pinbout
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Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: Cotts]
      #6482649 - 04/23/14 06:33 AM

lunt binos

a couple of eyepiece sets

some alt/az mount on wood legs.


and the lunt 50 ha solar scope

I can't believe I sound like a lunt-head... or would that be a lunt-nut


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obin robinson
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Reged: 10/25/12

Loc: League City, TX
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: Cotts]
      #6482729 - 04/23/14 08:12 AM

Purely visual? Here's what I would personally go for:

$4,000 for CGEM DX 1100 HD 11” with Edge HD SCT Optics
https://astronomics.com/celestron-cgem-dx-1100-hd-11-inch-edge-hd-sct-telesco...

$135 for Gold Focus plus collimation for Cassegrains:
http://www.goldastro.com/goldfocus/order_goldfocusplus_cass.php

$300 for ASI120MC camera for collimation:
http://www.zwoptical.com/eng/Cameras/ASI120/index.asp

$289 for Baader Zoom eyepiece:
http://agenaastro.com/baader-8-24mm-mark-iii-hyperion-zoom-eyepiece.html

The rest of the money goes to the best binoculars I could find. The above setup would keep me quite happy for visual only usage.

obin


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brave_ulysses
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Reged: 04/19/09

Loc: far outside the wire
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: csrlice12]
      #6482766 - 04/23/14 08:43 AM

i like how you think...

+ a pair of binoculars and you've got a winner

http://www.amazon.com/Celestron-SkyMaster-Binoculars-Tripod-Adapter/dp/B00008...



Quote:

An acre or two of land in the middle of nowhere about an hour or so drive away...




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Jon Isaacs
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Loc: San Diego and Boulevard, CA
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: brave_ulysses]
      #6482790 - 04/23/14 08:56 AM

Quote:

i like how you think...

+ a pair of binoculars and you've got a winner

http://www.amazon.com/Celestron-SkyMaster-Binoculars-Tripod-Adapter/dp/B00008...



Quote:

An acre or two of land in the middle of nowhere about an hour or so drive away...







Around here, an acre or two of land that's out in the middle of nowhere an hour or so from here Will cost you a lot more than $5000.

Fortunately, we are all part owners of the vast majority of the such land and it's open for us to use.

Jon

Edited by Jon Isaacs (04/23/14 08:57 AM)


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hottr6
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Reged: 06/28/09

Loc: 7,500', Magdalena Mtns, NM
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: urassner]
      #6482829 - 04/23/14 09:13 AM

I would have to agree that the ES 127ED ($1.9K Astronomics) is a great start to building a system that would best meet my observing program, and be sufficiently compact that would encourage me to use it.

I'd add:
Losmandy G8 with Gemini ($2.5K Astronomics)
ES 14/8.8/4.7mm 82* and 24mm 68* EPs and 1.25" 2x barlow ($660 Astronomics)

I'm counting on Astronomic's CN discount! If there is any left over, I'd include Baader solar film.

Yeah, we can dream.


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hottr6
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Loc: 7,500', Magdalena Mtns, NM
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: Jon Isaacs]
      #6482849 - 04/23/14 09:23 AM

Quote:


Around here, an acre or two of land that's out in the middle of nowhere an hour or so from here Will cost you a lot more than $5000.



It's always the improvements and legal issues that kill the price. In NM, it is possible to buy unimproved land with no water or mineral rights for $1K/acre. Our property, with house, grid-tied PV and underground cabling, 2 wells, fully fenced (goat and sheep), thinned forest, 60x40 workshop, 24x12 studio, stables, driveway, 3 calverts, 2 corrals, coop, equipment shed, 10-cord woodshed and miscellaneous other improvements runs at around $10K/acre. One day I'll add an observatory, but that will hardly alter the cost/acre.


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hottr6
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Loc: 7,500', Magdalena Mtns, NM
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: Cotts]
      #6482936 - 04/23/14 10:00 AM

Quote:

You have exactly $5000 to spend on a visual telescope system. You must buy new, from retailers, not used. You have NO equipment at the moment so you have to purchase the whole enchilada - scope, eyepieces, mount, finder, go-to ( or not, as you see fit), etc.



There was a relatively recent CN thread about the cost of equipment to enthusiastic users. Authors stated investments of $420-$50K+. I tallied these numbers and found a mean of around $15K, and a median of around $10K.

$5K may represent entry-level costs to the addicted (ouch!).


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Jon Isaacs
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Loc: San Diego and Boulevard, CA
Re: $5 000 challenge! Build a system from scratch... new [Re: hottr6]
      #6482942 - 04/23/14 10:03 AM

Quote:

Quote:


Around here, an acre or two of land that's out in the middle of nowhere an hour or so from here Will cost you a lot more than $5000.



It's always the improvements and legal issues that kill the price. In NM, it is possible to buy unimproved land with no water or mineral rights for $1K/acre. Our property, with house, grid-tied PV and underground cabling, 2 wells, fully fenced (goat and sheep), thinned forest, 60x40 workshop, 24x12 studio, stables, driveway, 3 calverts, 2 corrals, coop, equipment shed, 10-cord woodshed and miscellaneous other improvements runs at around $10K/acre. One day I'll add an observatory, but that will hardly alter the cost/acre.




One problem in San Diego is that even if land were available for $1K/acre, in rural areas, zoning laws do not allow small parcels, particularly where there is no development.

Jon

Edited by Jon Isaacs (04/23/14 10:04 AM)


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