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astrasouth
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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: Tom Andrews]
      #1711280 - 07/11/07 12:38 PM

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Maybe rubber wedges/doorstops would work though ??





I've been using rubber door stops and they work great. I also bought a rubber floor mat (for vehicles) that I put down on the ground first then my base. It keeps dirt and moisture away plus helps keep the base from shifting. Rubber door stops under the wood feet of my base don't slip and the rubber stops sitting on the rubber floor mat don't slip.




Hi,
In a grassy area that is not cut recently (but too high) have you noticed with the rubber door stoppers the rocker box becoming wobbly... or is that dependent how "tough" the rubber mat is. How would you feel about a strong piece of plywood? thanks.
Mark

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6" Orion Skyquest XT (f/8)
8" Meade LX6 SCT (f/6)
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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: astrasouth]
      #1711482 - 07/11/07 02:41 PM Attachment (73 downloads)

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Hi,
In a grassy area that is not cut recently (but too high) have you noticed with the rubber door stoppers the rocker box becoming wobbly... or is that dependent how "tough" the rubber mat is. How would you feel about a strong piece of plywood? thanks.
Mark




Mark,

I haven't had the opportunity to observe in a grassy area. I would imagine that you are right, this would create a wobbly base. In that situation, I think the plywood would be the better choice. (My wife and I live in a motorhome and there's not really any room for a 19" x 19" piece of plywood [the footprint of my base]). A piece of plywood would give you a more stable base then the door stops would do just fine.

I was given some plastic shims that are used on construction sites for prefab concrete wall sections. These are working great because they are bigger in diameter than the door stops, they're flat, come in three thicknesses and have ridges so nothing slides. Attached are 2 pictures.

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Tom

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Coulter Odessey 8" Dob
Celestron C11-SGT
Garrett Optical 15x70 Gemini Binoculars on homemade Parallelogram w/Setting Circles

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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: Tom Andrews]
      #1711488 - 07/11/07 02:44 PM Attachment (78 downloads)

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Tom

The Secret To Life:

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2007 Discovery 12.5" PDHQ Split-Tube Dob w/manual setting circles/Telrad/Zhummel 8x50 RACI finder scope (*For Sale*)

Coulter Odessey 8" Dob
Celestron C11-SGT
Garrett Optical 15x70 Gemini Binoculars on homemade Parallelogram w/Setting Circles

The Albuquerque Astronomy Society (TAAS)


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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: csa/montana]
      #1711581 - 07/11/07 03:27 PM

Carol, I finally had a chance to use my SC set up two nights ago. I used Astromist on an Axim along with it.

This is the best thing since sliced bread! Thanks for showing the way!

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Wow! That's a great endorsement! Thanks.

Carol




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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: Jaxdialation]
      #1712111 - 07/11/07 07:43 PM



I'm so glad it's a success for you as well! That's what Astronomy is all about, sharing ideas with their fellow Astronomers!

Thanks for taking the time to post your gracious message.

Carol

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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: Tom Andrews]
      #1712763 - 07/12/07 01:19 AM

Tom, this is a good idea. I may give that a try as well if my other plan proves to be a failure.
For now, I found some leveling feet at Lowes and have attached them to the bottom of the base. I'm sure this should hold up to the weight just find since the forces are equally distributed in three directions.

I also am going to go clockwise on my stationary dial and counter-clockwise on my non-stationary dial.

thanks!
Mark

Edited by astrasouth (07/12/07 01:20 AM)


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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: astrasouth]
      #1713408 - 07/12/07 12:34 PM Attachment (61 downloads)

Mark,

Sorry I couldn't answer the question of clockwise/counterclockwise. I have two dobs (8" & 12"), both with boxes on a ground plate. Both of my circles go clockwise. I don't know anything about your other scope...

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Focus on what you have, not on what you don't;
Focus on what you can do, not on what you can't.

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2007 Discovery 12.5" PDHQ Split-Tube Dob w/manual setting circles/Telrad/Zhummel 8x50 RACI finder scope (*For Sale*)

Coulter Odessey 8" Dob
Celestron C11-SGT
Garrett Optical 15x70 Gemini Binoculars on homemade Parallelogram w/Setting Circles

The Albuquerque Astronomy Society (TAAS)

Edited by Tom Andrews (07/12/07 11:23 PM)


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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: csa/montana]
      #1719550 - 07/16/07 12:21 AM

Carol: Please tell me where you found the "plans" for your Degree Circles, this is exactly what I have been looking for.

I purchased a "previously owned" Antares 10" Dob in March and have not devoted enuff time to master the art of starhopping. Modifying a Dob to add a "go-to" capability seems like a waste of time and resources, so "push-to" seems a very acceptable alternative.

The Antares will need to have the slider in the base replaced with bearings, and I have some teflon tape that should smooth up the altitude action.

Maybe tomorrow nite I can read more of this 23 page thread, so my apologies in advance if the source has already been identified.

Thanks -

<< Steve >>

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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: Ghazzer]
      #1720063 - 07/16/07 10:15 AM

Steve: Welcome to Cloudy Nights! Glad to have you join us on the forums!

There were no "plans" for this system. If you go to the very beginning of this very lengthy thread, it is self-explanatory. All you need are the appropriately sized degree circles, a couple of home-made "pointers", and an inclinometer.

Through-out the thread there have been different, excellent variations applied to my original system.

I will try to go back & get the PDF files for the 10" & 12" degree circles, when I have the time.
They are in the thread

Carol

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Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: csa/montana]
      #1720144 - 07/16/07 10:56 AM

Here are the PDF files:

8" Dob:

8" Dob degree circles

12" LightBridge:

12" LB

Manufactured circles:

Manufactured Degree Circles

As soon as I can find the PDF file for 10", I will add it. (22" enlarge 8" degree PDF 115%)

16" LightBridge base is 31.5"

Carol

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Carol


AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35

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Edited by csa/montana (07/16/07 05:57 PM)


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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: csa/montana]
      #1720439 - 07/16/07 01:37 PM

While this degree circle isn't for the 10" specifically, it's the original PDF file. You'll need to have kinkos bump it up to 115% so that it prints out at 22" across.

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/attachments/944499-Alt-AZ_Setting_Circle.pdf

just take a tape measure with you and measure it after they print it. Some of these places aren't all that great at getting the size right the first few times. I had to get mine printed out 4 times before they got everything correct. After the size is right, have them laminate it. Depending on the kinko's, it can cost anywhere between $10 and $25 (there doesn't seem to be any corporate set prices for these things).

-Fred

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Right angle viewfinder
Deluxe field tripod

Zhumell 10" dob
Telrad finder
GSO 8x50 RACI finder
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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: csa/montana]
      #1720451 - 07/16/07 01:43 PM

Thanks for the Oregonruleco link Carol. My XT10 is telling to get a set now.

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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: Gigatron]
      #1720886 - 07/16/07 05:47 PM

Hi Fred: Your link is the same as the one in my post under 8" Dob (that was what it originally was made for).

Carol

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AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35

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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: ................]
      #1720893 - 07/16/07 05:49 PM

Steve, you are most welcome! You better answer your XT10 calling, or it may hang up on you!

Carol

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AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35

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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: csa/montana]
      #1720969 - 07/16/07 06:20 PM

Actually I might be in trouble; I left both my cell phone and Amex card home unattended today.

Last week the Cats Eye 3-piece set, this week...


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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: ................]
      #1721344 - 07/16/07 09:55 PM

Ohhh, don't check the last # dialed when you get home!

Carol

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AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35

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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: Tom Andrews]
      #1721955 - 07/17/07 08:38 AM

Quote:

Quote:


Hi,
In a grassy area that is not cut recently (but too high) have you noticed with the rubber door stoppers the rocker box becoming wobbly... or is that dependent how "tough" the rubber mat is. How would you feel about a strong piece of plywood? thanks.
Mark




Mark,

I haven't had the opportunity to observe in a grassy area. I would imagine that you are right, this would create a wobbly base. In that situation, I think the plywood would be the better choice. (My wife and I live in a motorhome and there's not really any room for a 19" x 19" piece of plywood [the footprint of my base]). A piece of plywood would give you a more stable base then the door stops would do just fine.

I was given some plastic shims that are used on construction sites for prefab concrete wall sections. These are working great because they are bigger in diameter than the door stops, they're flat, come in three thicknesses and have ridges so nothing slides. Attached are 2 pictures.




Another good idea for the flat shimmys. Leveling feet seem to take too long to level.

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15" Discovery Truss Dobsonian (f/5)
6" Orion Skyquest XT (f/8)
8" Meade LX6 SCT (f/6)
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Re: Degree Circles new [Re: rnabholz]
      #1721987 - 07/17/07 08:58 AM

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Hi Ridwan,

You got out and tested the SmartTool before I had a chance to. I am pleased to hear that it works properly even if tilted slightly off axis. I had suspected it would, but nothing beats a true field test.

$80 is a great buy on the level. I knew Sears carried them, but at the time I bought mine, their price was higher by $20. My guess is given a year, this tool will be in the $50 range.

The device is quite accurate, my experience matches yours, the error is very small, a quarter of a degree makes this part of the system well within acceptable tolerance. Add that to the resolution possible with a 20" azimuth dial and you have a system that works very well as you and those who have implemented it have discovered.

The whole thing can be done for about $100 to $125. Moving to additional scopes your cost is just that of the azimuth scale and a mount for the level ~$20 or so.

One other advantage this system has over traditional DSC is its ability to work with a scope that is not perfectly orthagonal. Any deviation from perfect orthagonality of the axis on a dob will cause a DSC to not perform up to its capabilities. This system is immune to that issue.

I am very interested to hear of your results with the total system on the platform. Please be sure and post your observations when you have the azimuth dial in place.

Thanks




Rod and Carol:
I tried out the Smart-tool for altitude last night without my telrad, finderscope or an azimuth circle (I'm going to add the circle this week). I used a compass or eyeballing for the azimuth.

Before I went out, I made sure that my palm program Planetarium (a ***** program I tell ya) had the most accurate positioning in latitude/longitude and that the time was set as close to possible with atomic time.

When I used the smart tool, the error was +/- 0.1 degrees and nudging the scope on the azimuth would show the object in my 0.8-degree FOV eyepiece. Amazing. In mostly cloudy conditions under heavily light-polluted skies, I was able to find M27, M5, M3, M11 (wild-duck), and M2. That's crazy! I'm so used to star-hopping everything for the discipline of learning the sky, but this push-to system is a nice alternative when conditions are really bad.

Hence I can make the obvious conclusion that the more accurate the time and site-location (long/lat) in the preferences of the computer program, the more accurate it will match the smart-tool.

Anyway, I find the Smart-tool an amazing addition to my astro gear. Thanks Rod for this idea!!!

Can't wait to see what will happen with the azimuth circle!

Mark

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15" Discovery Truss Dobsonian (f/5)
6" Orion Skyquest XT (f/8)
8" Meade LX6 SCT (f/6)
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Re: Degree Circles [Re: astrasouth]
      #1722574 - 07/17/07 02:40 PM

Mark: with the degree circles, you will be right on the money. This system is such a simple addition to a Dob, that a lot of people cannot believe it can be so accurate & simple to use!

Carol

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Carol


AstroTech 16" Dob (Thanks ASTRONOMICS!)
Vixen 80MF/AstroTech Voyager
Masuyama's 7.5, 15, 25W, 35mm,
Pentaxes; 5XW, 7XL, 10XW.
14mm Meade 4000 UWA
TV Panoptics; 22, 35

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Re: Degree Circles [Re: csa/montana]
      #1723353 - 07/17/07 09:56 PM

I have a dob modified with and azimuth circle and Wixey digital inclinometer. I travel to different viewing areas in New England, and I need a program to give accurate latitude and longtitude.
Any suggestions?
thanks, Phil

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