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NKOTB: Barska 30x80
      #955438 - 05/14/06 01:10 PM

http://www.ebinoculars.com/products/Barska_30x80_X-Trail_46035.html

I couldn't resist.
Especially with 10 inches of eye relief.
4.3 lbs, BAK4s, and MC.

Actually, I'll be happy if the images merge.
Review coming soon...



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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 new [Re: SaberScorpX]
      #955617 - 05/14/06 04:14 PM

Likely one inch. Ten inches would really be hard to use, I think.

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 new [Re: Phil Wheeler]
      #955624 - 05/14/06 04:27 PM

Likely 10mm and some recess.
If otherwise satisfied, I intend to enlist its service for public viewing events.

BTW, Barska 20x80 now also available.



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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 new [Re: SaberScorpX]
      #955662 - 05/14/06 05:17 PM

Barska binoculars (at least the only ones I've ever seen) have at most only the objective lens multi-coated.

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 new [Re: SaberScorpX]
      #955717 - 05/14/06 06:20 PM

Quote:

Likely 10mm and some recess.
If otherwise satisfied, I intend to enlist its service for public viewing events.

BTW, Barska 20x80 now also available.



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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 new [Re: Joe Ogiba]
      #957275 - 05/15/06 09:14 PM

FWIW, even Barska's own website has the 10 inch eye relief error on that specific model's own page:

http://www.barska.com/ab10768.htm

but in the table on their main X-Trail page, for the 30x80 it says 10mm eye relief and also says it's multicoated:

http://www.barska.com/x_trail.htm

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 new [Re: edcannon]
      #957295 - 05/15/06 09:25 PM

Quote:

also says it's multicoated:




yeh, but that doesn't really mean much. Multi-coat one lens, even one side of one lens, and you get to make that claim. So in the mean-time the other 12-14 glass surfaces are either uncoated or single coated. Assuming all other surfaces are coated, transmission is reduced by about 20% less than an FMC binocular, and you get lots of ghosts and contrast losses.


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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 new [Re: EdZ]
      #957336 - 05/15/06 09:43 PM

I almost wrote "claims it's multicoated" but decided to tread more lightly. But that X-Trail page also says that they are "top performance", so I was probably being too cautious. This would be one more reason why "try before you buy" and "caveat emptor" are very good rules of thumb. (What's the Latin for "caveat emptor"?)

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 new [Re: edcannon]
      #957496 - 05/15/06 11:37 PM

Geez guys.
You've already arrested, tried, and convicted 'em.
I look forward to auditioning any new binos regardless of known caveats,
coatings, or claims.

What happened to 'Cool, Saber. Looking forward to your impressions.' ?



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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 new [Re: SaberScorpX]
      #958224 - 05/16/06 01:54 PM

Quote:

Geez guys.
You've already arrested, tried, and convicted 'em.
I look forward to auditioning any new binos regardless of known caveats,
coatings, or claims.

What happened to 'Cool, Saber. Looking forward to your impressions.' ?



Stephen Saber




Cool, Saber. Looking forward to your impressions.

I've also been tempted by the new 80mm binoculars. And now I see 100 mm binoculars by Barska, too. Only problem for me is that these really would need a tripod, and that takes away one of the advantages of binoculars over telescopes.

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 new [Re: Zebra24601]
      #958319 - 05/16/06 02:53 PM

Thanks, Zebra.

Agreed. I'm not fond of mounting binos, and only routinely use a tripod with my current 30s (Orion MV) for your same reason.

It rubs some folks the wrong way, but I also enjoy casual handheld sweeps at 30x. The key is not to expect a stable image and intentionally employ a slow, relaxed hovering motion over the target. The eyes have an easier time compensating for movement when not competing with fast-twitch hand/arm/shoulder muscles.
This is opposed to trying to keep the instrument as still as possible, which only makes the 'fireflies' worse.

But again, this is not for everyone, and a tripod (or IS) is always recommended for the best binocular views.



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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 [Re: SaberScorpX]
      #958631 - 05/16/06 07:05 PM

Quote:

Geez guys.
You've already arrested, tried, and convicted 'em.
I look forward to auditioning any new binos regardless of known caveats, coatings, or claims.

What happened to 'Cool, Saber. Looking forward to your impressions.' ?




I actually didn't understand that you meant that you had already bought it!

Also, I'm the guy who just a month ago bought a Celestron Skymaster 12x60 (and not long before that a $30 Bushnell Sportsman 10x42 roof prism model from Wal-Mart), so I didn't really mean to frown on your purchase of an inexpensive model (especially since I failed to understand that you purchased it -- even though I think I used the same line with respect to my Wal-Mart purchase!).

I was just in doubt of their advertising that the X-Trail line is top performance, given they're not fully multicoated, if nothing else.

So far I'm pretty happy with the performance of my Celestron Skymaster 12x60 for which I paid a premium price of $90 plus tax.

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 [Re: edcannon]
      #959039 - 05/16/06 11:56 PM

re: I actually didn't understand that you meant that you had already bought it!

LOL. Is that supposed to help?

I was kidding, anywayz.
No hard feelings, Ed.
Like I said, I'll be pretty impressed just to have it arrive collimated.

On an personal aesthetic note, they're one of the best looking giant series I've seen.
We'll see about the looking-thru part.



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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 [Re: SaberScorpX]
      #959301 - 05/17/06 08:04 AM

Stephen,

I don't know if you'd spotted this thread from a while ago, but the X-trail 20x80s seemed OK to me.

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 [Re: Art Fritzson]
      #959508 - 05/17/06 11:17 AM

Forgot about those promising reports.
Thanks, Art.



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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 [Re: SaberScorpX]
      #959682 - 05/17/06 01:38 PM

Evidently these may be collimanatable as well--a poster on the Irish Astronomy board claims to have performed collimation on his 20x80 Barska's..and the illustration he used to show which screws to use for what on the Barska's--are the same ones posted on cloudynights for collimating Oberworks binos...

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 [Re: photonovore]
      #960993 - 05/18/06 11:58 AM

I can't see the adjustment photos. What browser are you using?

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 [Re: BoyntonStu]
      #961015 - 05/18/06 12:18 PM

See the "Best Of" thread on Binocular Collimation for links to the same photos.

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 [Re: EdZ]
      #961222 - 05/18/06 03:47 PM

Got them. Thanks.

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Re: NKOTB: Barska 30x80 [Re: SaberScorpX]
      #963440 - 05/20/06 01:30 AM

The Mini-Review

A Big Brown Truck arrived with my new toy earlier this week.
Coddled in bubble-wrap within its hard-case, the 30x Barska survived the trip without a scratch and in fine collimation...

I could stop here as, for $139, my expectations had already been met.
But as the audition progressed, I became increasingly pleased with the performance of these 'bargain' Giants.
So here we go.

Vital Stats

Max Dimensions: 13" x 9"
Weight: 4.3 lbs.
Min Focus: 49 ft.
All black, streamlined, soft and smooth rubber housing.
Extremely ergonomic and well-balanced.
Aroma: Confidential (Sorry, Kenny.)
Lifetime Limited Warranty

Mechanics: Hinge, focus, and diopter motion secure with no play. Caps all secure. Easy-to-adjust pedestal stays secure along center bar.
BAK4 Prisms (round exit pupils, no light path interference).
Coatings: FMC. Despite various specs and speculation, the instrument bears the words 'Fully Multi-Coated' and the objectives do indeed present healthy bluish-green reflections thru its black-baffled barrels. Lens and prism paler blue reflections, however, indicate possible single-coatings on some surfaces (see follow-up posts).
Optics (daytime): Very bright images. Moderate pincushioning. Very well color-corrected. Minimal off-focus purple fringing.

Eygernomics

FOV: 2.1° (spec) 2.2° (measured)
AFOV: 63° (per spec) 66° (adj)
F/FSR (Field to Field-Stop Ratio): Average. No tunnelvision, but not a spacewalk either. Field-stop is well-defined.
Eye Relief: 10mm (spec) 9mm (useable. recess is slightly less than 2mm, and I'm feeling generous)
Lens diameter 20mm
Exit Pupil: 2.7mm
IPD: 58-72mm
Comfort: Very good. Long, soft roll-back rubber eye cups.
Vignette: Minimal. Eye positioning is more forgiving than expected.

My favored useable eye relief is in the 12-14mm range, so the Barska is tighter than I prefer (any less would be painfully tight). Not recommended for eyeglass wearers, I would estimate at least a 50-60% loss of field.

Under The Stars

No astigmatism.
Pinpoint star images out to 80% of field.
Minimal violet fringing on Jupiter and Vega (substantially less CA than my $500 MegaView).
Main Jovian bands are distinct, showing both color and hints of texture.
Negligable false color at Luna's limb, our waning gibbous moon was splendidly detailed.
*Moonless, darksky safari pending.*

Versus Orion 30x80MegaView

For another $350, the MV provides 4mms more eye relief and a significantly larger AFOV (field-stop is nearly peripheral). These are two very important qualities for me and was worth the extra cost. YMMV.
The MV also provides an additional .3° TFOV, and includes extendable dewshields.
Except for the above, the sleek and lightweight Barska 30s not only challenge the heavier MV's optics, mechanics, and quality build, but do so with better color-correction on the bright stuff.
Contemplating whether the MegaViews are overpriced or the Barskas are underpriced, I'm leaning toward the former.

Handheld Use

I may be an exception (wouldn't be the first time), but I also spent ten straight minutes standing and another 30 on my back enjoying a relaxed freehand crawl across the available constellations. Very liberating. At just over 4 lbs, they simply do not 'feel' like Giants.

CN Bino Forum edicts require me to reiterate that a tripod or IS is always recommended for more serious bino-target study.
Following that, the Barska's mounting requirements are minimal; any tripod rated for even 5 lbs will suffice.

Summary

Aside from an incurable giant bino fetish, I also wanted to occasionally share 30x binocular views with the public without putting my more valuable MV in harm's way. The Barska X-Trail 30x80 will serve its purpose with flying colors. More bang for 139 bucks than I expected.
If the MegaView drives like a Cadillac, then the Barska handles more like a sports car.
Recommended with caveats of the relatively narrow FOV and potentially restrictive ER.



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