EddWen
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OK, with the BF30, the same package is US$6,995.
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Keith Howlett
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Interestingly the Lunt 100mm filter set with BF3400 for 2 inch is 8185 euros which, if is £7653 at the exchange rate today (that's presumably not inc shipping etc, and does not include the adapter to fit to your scope). As no UK dealer has posted a price, that is the only info I can go by, so if a UK dealer would like to update this, please do so? (if within the TOS, otherwise I guess on the vendor forum)
SF100 single stack (100mm clear etalon) at 0.7A with no obstruction/30mm 2 inch blocking ITF is £7750 inc delivery and VAT from two UK dealers.
Coronado SM90 (0.7A) central obstruction, shipped to the UK is £7084 from the USA (+shipping + tax). Again no UK prices listed to compare against.
Seems like the prices are all now in the same ballpark for similar aperture scopes.
Hi Nick,
Yes well spotted. Of course it just means that it's all expensive in the UK, but if I was paid in dollars or euros and I was in the market the SF100 looks pretty reasonable at the moment. I have a SF100 on order, largely made possible by the recent GBP/euro exchange rate when I sold my SM90/BF30 to Germany.
Cheers,
Keith
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APM M.Ludes
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Hi Keith
the SM 90 Telescope 0.7A European Meade price with European guarantee is about Euro 13,000 or about 12,000 UK Pound, right now .
The LS100T /B3400 in USA cost US $ 5,398 + $ 200 shipping about = $ 5,600 = UK Pound 4,440 + 4.2% customs plus 15 % UK VAT = UK POund 5,320, thats what you have to compare if you calculating correct, right ? For a 0.7 A non obstructed fully halpha optimized air pressure tuned telescope with rings, focuser and case , 2000 pound less than next competion as filter system only , so where is your complain please ?
not a good deal ?
Markus
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Edited by APM M.Ludes (03/26/09 07:24 PM)
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NickH
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Markus, the UK shipped price on your calculation from the USA for an SM90 is less than you state, what I was comparing was EURO price where possible (difficult to find for the SM90 BF30).
As the SM90 with BF30 is $6995, this is a lot less than £12000.. if you use your method..
If we do like for like in euros, pounds or USD, the prices do vary massively, you're right.. but if someone was to ship an SM90 from the USA, or get an LS100 from a UK dealer..well, it's now a much closer call..
LS100T from Europe is now only £200 difference from the SF100, and I am not sure what the shipping cost from Germany to UK is...
As no UK dealer has a price up, I can only compare in Euro, and I am sure your UK and EU dealers would not like it for you to be endorsing or condoning shipping LS100's from the USA?
Edited by NickH (03/26/09 07:47 PM)
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stephenramsden
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Hey Markus,
No complaints from me sir. Put me down for one doublestacked please!! I am serious!
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Edited by stephenramsden (03/26/09 09:58 PM)
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NickH
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DS LS100... I can't see any reason to complain at all Stephen...:-) look forward to seeing your results
Keith...yup....what's new? UK pricing has always been high and with the USD now at $1.40 ish (as opposed to $2.04 last year), and the Euro collapse as well...
ho hum
Edited by NickH (03/27/09 02:22 AM)
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Keith Howlett
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Hi Keith
the SM 90 Telescope 0.7A European Meade price with European guarantee is about Euro 13,000 or about 12,000 UK Pound, right now .
The LS100T /B3400 in USA cost US $ 5,398 + $ 200 shipping about = $ 5,600 = UK Pound 4,440 + 4.2% customs plus 15 % UK VAT = UK POund 5,320, thats what you have to compare if you calculating correct, right ? For a 0.7 A non obstructed fully halpha optimized air pressure tuned telescope with rings, focuser and case , 2000 pound less than next competion as filter system only , so where is your complain please ?
not a good deal ?
Markus
Hi Markus,
I have no complaint and, as I posted last week I am grateful that Lunt gives UK customers the option to buy direct from the USA. I have a 3400 CaK module on order with Jennifer and Rikki and I am very much looking forward to using it this summer.
My reply to Nick's point relates to Solarscope and the GBP exchange rate, let me clarify. I was able to realize a much better GBP price for my SM90/BF30 by selling to europe than if I had sold in the UK, and this enabled me to more easily fund the SF100. That is priced in GBP.
I think Nick's point went further and suggested that the european advertised prices of the well known 90mm and 100mm products were converging.
His basic point seems to be correct. Obviously you cannot compare these products directly, they are very different and IIRC, unlike Lunt, Coronado/Meade do not give any option in europe to buy at US prices.
Hope that's clearer.
Cheers,
Keith
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NickH
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Numbers from websites...and the exchange rates from XE.com which are (okay) not your standard ones, but close enough...I do acknowledge there are some vaguaries in exhange rates (says the guy who shipped in two PST's from the USA for $499, which at the time was under £300UKP TO MY DOOR!)...lol (luckily I was able to resolve the painful issues with both of them as well)
It comes back to price and the UKP on an LS100 filter set with BF3400 is now very close to the UKP on the SF100 with a similar ITF.
As for giving the option to buy direct from the USA, this is indeed a spectacularly good point for Lunt, and one which is to be massively applauded, however, if I were a UK dealer, would I feel the same way?
Problem also with US shipping (especially with something as delicate as an etalon) is that if some muppet from FedEx/DHL/Parcelfarce etc decides to play fotoball with the packaging, then it has a long long way to go back..and at one's own cost..
Edited by NickH (03/27/09 06:24 AM)
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Keith Howlett
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Hi Nick,
No criticism of your numbers intended. As you say it was a ballpark comparison.
Cheers,
Keith
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NickH
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None taken at all Keith
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APM M.Ludes
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Nick
my 12000 pound is for the SM 90 Telescope , not for the filter :-)
shipping to UK is about 40 Euro only with insurance , not rally much
Markus
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NickH
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Markus
£12000 for the SM90 scope...wow
http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=2991&kw=SolarMax%2090%20-%2090mm&st=2
or even better
http://www.amazon.com/Coronado-SolarMax-Telescope-Angstrom-BF15/dp/B001VEXQKU/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1238170554&sr=8-23
Around £5000, which is £7000 less...flight to USA £299 return, cab add another £70 return... job done..
Import duty at UK customs...that's your lot
40 euro is a good deal for shipping to the UK though...
Edited by NickH (03/27/09 12:17 PM)
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APM M.Ludes
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Nick
fully right, scopes sells in USA for far lthen what a dealer in Europe pays. But Meade Europe swears me they do not get this heavy discounted US price either.
another sample : NIKON 20x 120 Bino cost in Euro 12000 Euro, in USA about 7000 $ only
Markus
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NickH
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Markus
I know, it's very difficult in Europe and even worse in the UK with pricing. It must be difficult for many people due to this.
But that's a long story..
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APM M.Ludes
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Nick
right now UK has the disadvantage of the exchange rate against Euro, but Euro customers a advantage to buy in UK right now cheaper then we can sell to them, so many germans going now shopping to UK:-(
My own SF 70 double Stack lost about 40% of its value thanks to the weak Pound.
But Crying does not help we all have to deal with this times .
What I like to express once more the new LS100 Telescope with its non obstructed system, air pressure tuning will withstand to any scope or filter in similar size no matter if the other cost same,more or less.
You have to look through to believe it.
We give now scopes into hands of good critical imagers who know how to get great images out of scopes
Next chance to see live is at 4.arpil by telescope-service show in germany, at 19/20 April at NEAF , you can go to widescreen center in UK, they got one....
If the $ loose again against Euro on value, our prices getting cheaper again, the UK products wil remain at the pound prices no matter what $ doing , right ? :-)
there is space enough for everybody , so nobody has to worry
greetings to my UK friends
Markus
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colinsk
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I think this would be a good place to mention that I am more than willing to hand deliver a telescope to Europe for the cost of airfare (and a pint of beer)! 
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NickH
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Nicely said..
Yes, the UK has a disadvantage with the Euro/£/$
I look forward to the good images from these critical imagers..
and yes, space for all...
April 4th I am busy with a lunar project, and don't think I can make NEAF, but if Simon at Widescreen has an LS100 with the new coatings and tuning system I will try to see that
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NickH
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I think this would be a good place to mention that I am more than willing to hand deliver a telescope to Europe for the cost of airfare (and a pint of beer)!
One day I may take you up on that offer :-)
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stephenramsden
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Wait, I'll do it for airfare minus 20 dollars...:)
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NickH
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lol....this could turn in to quite a lucrative gig...
I book the flights, claim the airmiles, pay the airfare, meet you guys, and get scopes for £7000 less than UK RRP, which I then sell on for .....(just kidding)
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