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edcannon
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I'll just mention briefly that we are in one of the two times of the year when some geostationary satellites are visible with small binoculars. Right now the theoretical best latitude is 20 south, but by Oct. 3/4 the best will be 30 north, and it's Oct. 6/7 for 40 north. However, they can be seen about a week either side of those theoretical best nights.
A couple of evenings ago I detected three of them with my 12x60. (Actually I detected the first one the night before with my 8x42.) In a couple of weeks there will be several visible with my 8x42. I've been observing these "flaring geosats" twice per year (near the equinoxes) since at least September 2000. Due to the special alignment of Sun, satellite, and observer around the equinoxes, they can reach up to ten magnitudes brighter than normal (i.e., from magnitude 13 to mag. 3), although five or six magnitudes brighter is more common.
You don't even need any satellite predictions to see them. Just determine the declination of the "Clarke Belt" for your latitude (e.g., -5 for 30 north) and watch closely for bright "stars" that don't match your star charts and that stand still while the stars glide by. (Of course if you want to know which objects you saw, then you do have to get predictions or "post-dictions".) It helps to be very familiar with certain asterisms along the Clarke Belt in the proper Right Ascension area.
This occurs just before (and after) the satellites are eclipsed by the Earth's shadow. The general area of eclipse entry is roughly RA 23:30 to 00:30. There's another area where some, for an as-yet undetermined reason (to my knowledge) brighten "in the wrong place", 45 degrees or three hours of RA west of eclipse entry. That's where I saw the three a couple of evenings ago (RA 21:00-21:30, -5).
To me it's pretty neat to be able with small, handheld binoculars to see a geostationary satellite more than 22,400 miles (35,800 km) away and to watch the stars pass it by. And there have been at least two very close pairs visible from here in the past.
-------------------- Ed Cannon - Austin, Texas, USA
As of 23 August 2008 - Celestron Skymaster 12x60
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billbob
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very interesting, Ed. Not being familiar with some of the lingo, can you give me a better definition or example of the "Clarke belt"? I'm at latitude 36° N so Oct sounds right for me.
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ronharper
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This is an interesting thing to me, Ed. I work on research satellite instruments for a living, but as an amateur astro, regard them as confusing light pollution. Yet, it has struck me that cognizant "satellite spotting" must be one of the most demanding observing pursuits. Well, heck, they are something to look at! Maybe I'd hate them less if I sort of made friends with them. Tell us more and I'll give it a shot. Ron
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edcannon
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The Clarke Belt, also known as the geostationary belt, is the orbital region directly above the Earth's equator at a height of about 22,400 miles (35,800 km). It's named after Arthur C. Clarke, who first proposed the idea of putting satellites up there, where they could in effect stand still above a spot on the equator. I found the equation for figuring the declination on the following page, and there's more about it in the "next in thread" reply by "b_gimle":
http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Oct-2005/0167.html
I'm not trig-fluent, but maybe someone else can help on the formula. If you know the aiming point from your location to a DirecTV (or DBS or Intelsat or Telstar or Nimiq or Anik or Galaxy or Echostar or Hotbird or Astra, etc.) satellite, that will tell you the declination of the geostationary belt from your location.
Given that the satellites are at about 00:00, -5 (plus or minus 30 minutes of RA, with other footnotes) at shadow entry, there's a nice asterism, a rectangle whose southern two stars are 30 and 33 Piscium, and as seen from here they go north of those stars. On good evenings, from here the first ones become visible around there when that asterism is between 15 and 20 degrees above the horizon. As the asterism progresses through the sky, different ones become visible in that general area. One footnote is that the exact RA and Dec spot of eclipse entry moves to the west in RA and Dec. (I don't mean the sidereal motion of the Earth's shadow through the night sky; it's actually some sort of extra effect due to spherical geometry and/or the curved edge of the Earth's shadow, or something. Having a program that will show you where the Earth's shadow is would be helpful.)
The solar panels of the satellites in general are aimed at the center of the Earth, not the Sun (though of course they are sunwards facing). You need to know that if you try to figure out the Sun-satellite-observer geometry.
Another footnote is that this effect seems to be most pronounced when, as seen from the satellites, the observer is as near as can be to the Earth's limb. So, for example, there is a group that is near our meridian, and I have never managed to see those with my smaller binoculars. But earlier in the evening, in the east-southeast, the ones there tend to get much brighter. (The ones that brighten three hours early violate this "rule".)
Talking about them being light pollution, several months or a year or two ago on a different forum, a minor-planet observer called galaxies the "vermin of the sky" because they interfere with trying to do astrometry of minor planets. That was of course an allusion to whomever it was who called asteroids the "vermin of the skies". So to some extent it kind of depends on your perspective what is a target and what is interference. Maybe a comparable thing could be the Moon. Before I got into frequent night-sky watching, I thought the Moon was very pretty and always liked seeing it. Then I learned that in fact the Moon is very bad for trying to see deep-space objects and other faint things in the night sky!
I'm not sure what else to tell. Once you have spotted a few, you get the hang of it. It's easiest when they are near a star of comparable brightness, because the motion of the star passing them is obvious. Of course it happens at just about the speed of a minute hand moving on a clock face, so you have to have a tolerance for very slow action.
Most of the year, geostationary satellites are magnitude +11 or +12 or fainter and so pretty much only get in the way of people trying to image objects at their declination.
The following page has explantion of and a link to a "calculator" that is intended to help spot these satellites:
http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Sep-2006/0029.html
Here's an article with more information about observing geostationary satelites in general:
http://www.satobs.org/geosats.html
Although this is definitely a binocular observing activity, I guess that I should take non-binocular questions about it via private message.
-------------------- Ed Cannon - Austin, Texas, USA
As of 23 August 2008 - Celestron Skymaster 12x60
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ronharper
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Ed, That is a nicely written intro, and brings out several interesting behaviors that would be fun to watch. Thanks a bunch. Ron
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Wes James
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So does that mean that if I look where my Dish network satellite dish is pointing, would that be the area to look?
-------------------- Wes
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And a wonderful 4.25" Delmarva Shiefspiegler!
Some good friends, made here on C/N.
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edcannon
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Quote:
So does that mean that if I look where my Dish network satellite dish is pointing, would that be the area to look?
That tells you the correct declination for your latitude, as well as the specific position for that one satellite. So the idea is that as the night progresses, along that one declination various ones brighten one (or two) after another as the Earth's shadow moves westward through the sky. The bigger your binoculars (or telescope), the more of them you will be able to see. (My fellow observer got about 60 of them with his 8-inch dob, 90x, in one night, in about five hours, in a session that ended at about 2:00 AM.) But they definitely brighten and fade in sequence from east to west along the correct declination.
They don't all brighten to the same extent, but I think that the Dish ones may be some of the brighter ones. (Is Dish the same as DirecTV?)
Time for me to go get ready for an observing session!
-------------------- Ed Cannon - Austin, Texas, USA
As of 23 August 2008 - Celestron Skymaster 12x60
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edcannon
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Just a reminder, that the peak time is just about here for latitude 30 north, more or less. I saw 8 or 9 geosats earlier tonight in 80 minutes (a short session), using my binoculars. The weather conditions weren't very good as scattered cirrus was interfering. The eclipse entry area is about RA 0:30, and the declination is -5 to -4.8 for latitude 30 north. The complication is that there is a second area about three hours farther west in RA. At 10:14 PM local time there was one flaring brightly in each area, 45 degrees apart from each other, easy to see with my 8x42. The peak time moves north a couple of degrees of latitude per night, more or less.
-------------------- Ed Cannon - Austin, Texas, USA
As of 23 August 2008 - Celestron Skymaster 12x60
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