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Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip
      #571007 - 08/23/05 04:43 PM

Here's the first installment of "Walking the Moon on the Earth":

We took the first field trip to visit the longest lava tube in the continental US. It's over two miles of cavern located on the southern flank of Mt. St. Helens in WA and known locally as Ape Cave.

How relevant to the lunar landscape are terrestrial lava tubes? Do similiar lava tubes exist on the Moon? Emminent lunar scientist Paul Spudis seems to be fairly certain they do; he labeled the picture of Hadley Rille in his book, "Once & Future Moon" as a "lava channel-tube" and further states in the text, "Although all scientists agree that sinuous rilles are lava channels and tubes, the exact mode of formation remains somewhat contentious." (italics mine) Thus investigating a lava tube would seem to be perfectly relevant to a study of lunar volcanic formations--and fascinating as an aid to visualizing possible uses for such tubes on the Moon as locations for habitation--plus something to increase one's wonder when observing such features in the telescope as well!

Ape cave is definately a pretty spectaular volcanic formation in it's own right.



I learned that lava tubes/channels naturally follow drainage patterns--a streambed in this case but any sloping gully/valley provides a suitable location for their formation. They are created by a flow characteristic of less viscous basaltic lavas (exactly the type most common on the Moon) to harden on the outer surfaces first, leaving the center flowing freely; kind of like how water runs through a partially frozen stream, eventually flowing under a 'roof' of ice. And like such a stream of water, once the flow is ceases, the channel and roof it created remains:





What really suprised me was the almost perfect shape of some of the sections of this tube---they almost looked machine bored!



Obviously the utility of such structures on the Moon as bases of operation would be phenomenal--especially when one realizes that lunar tubes can be massively larger---possibly up to a kilometer in diameter!

Walking down this tube must be much like it would be to walk down a lunar rille, or, with an uncollapsed, intact roof, a lunar lava tube. Both are formed by essentially the same processes and by similiar lava--fluidic basalt--and both leave the history of their active lifespan written in stone, as it were--the variences of flow volume and speed, even the ripples caused by segments of roof falling into the then still flowing lava are found frozen in time. I find myself looking at lunar rilles in a whole different light after this little excursion! I'd certainly encourage any 'lunatic' able to explore one of these lava tubes to do so if given the opportunity.

Next, a trip to central Oregon to visit another lava tube, some cinder cones (dark haloed lunar craters), a shield volcano (lunar domes) and some lobate flow fields, as seen upon the lunar maria--plus a ten foot wide by 40ft deep stress fracture 2 miles long---analogous to a lunar arculate rille.

(I hope posting the images isn't an issue--i feel the flow of the story would suffer if they were relagated to links in this case. I took care to keep the individual image sizes well within the image posting guidelines. Let me know it there's a problem with this approach as I would like to do future installemnts in the same way if that's ok.)

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: photonovore]
      #571118 - 08/23/05 05:55 PM

Thanks for the tour, Mardi...that was very interesting!

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: Erix]
      #571504 - 08/23/05 10:46 PM

Thanks Mardi, this is majorcool!
What a trip these pics are! Was the tube a long continuous one, or was it segmented to a certain degree? What does it look like from a plane.. covered by grass, or is the rock exposed? Funny name, Ape Cave. I'm guessing at some point it was low and you needed to crouch like one to get through.
Thanks again, and I can't wait for your report on the trip to central Oregon.

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: Carol L]
      #571971 - 08/24/05 10:52 AM

Mardi, that was astounding! Thanks so much!

No problem posting the images with the text. Just keep the sizes as you have them so as not to blow everything off the screen. We generally use the gallery technique to be able to archive stand-alone photos, but when they are part of a contiguous story, we post them in the text.

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: Tim2723]
      #572002 - 08/24/05 11:30 AM

Hi Mardi,

That was an absolutely fascinating journey into those lava tubes! What a great set of photos and explanation of the relevance of these Earthly basaltic flows to those of lunar origin.

Wonderful!
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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: kraterkid]
      #572191 - 08/24/05 01:55 PM

Very interesting Mardi, but the images didn't show up for me

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: LivingNDixie]
      #572471 - 08/24/05 05:14 PM

Carol, the name comes from the name of a local outdoors group, the 'St.Henlen's Apes' (after that big ape, bigfoot ), who handled the caretaking chores after the cave was discovered in the 50's. Also, local lore was that a bigfoot called this cave home, but no physical evidence of *that* has been found..

The tube is continuous, one long passage. From above ground it is hidden by forest & sediment except where areas of the roof have collapsed--there are three of these collapsed areas, resulting in a bolder pile on the floor, one of which is now the main entranceway.

Tim, thanks for the ok on the images, that works out great & makes sense.

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: photonovore]
      #572855 - 08/24/05 10:10 PM

Thanks for the info, Mardi. I was going to ask you exactly where the cave was, but decided to Google it instead. Wow.. the search turned up lots of interesting hits but I like your tour the best.

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: Carol L]
      #574891 - 08/26/05 11:41 AM

Thanks for that very informative post Mardi. The photos are also great for showing the variety of features, and the last one looks like something that in an Erich von Daniken book would be labelled tunnel cut by aliens with laser beams.

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: Dan Luna]
      #608198 - 09/20/05 03:53 PM

This thread has been added to "The Best of the Lunie Bin."

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: desertstars]
      #653771 - 10/23/05 11:36 AM

Thanks for the tour Mardi,the photos and explanations were great.

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: Pat42]
      #653999 - 10/23/05 02:42 PM

Tom T put a link to this thread on the CN Announcements page.
Congrats, Mardi!

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtrip new [Re: Carol L]
      #654015 - 10/23/05 02:51 PM

Carol, oh, so I see! I suppose then it wouldn't be out of place to insert a mention of the second installment here as well to facilitate those newly interested towards further exploration...

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtr new [Re: photonovore]
      #654076 - 10/23/05 03:30 PM

I know where I want to go next summer! Wow! I wish I went on more field trips for my geology class! (ESS 101 at UW...)

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtr new [Re: UWastronomer]
      #654223 - 10/23/05 05:35 PM

Wow! This is fabulous!!!

Are there similar structures in Europe?

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtr new [Re: Olivier Biot]
      #658422 - 10/26/05 03:40 PM

Fascinating, thanks for posting that.

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtr new [Re: photonovore]
      #708249 - 11/29/05 05:22 PM

Absolutely fascinating. Plenty interesting just to have these formations on Earth, but to think of their possible existence on the moon, particularly in dramatically larger sizes is mind-boggling. Underground city site -- ready to move in. Thanks for sharing this experience and info!

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtr new [Re: jrd]
      #1470198 - 03/08/07 03:24 PM

Most of the rilles on the moon are sunken lava tubes such as Hadley rille, treisnecker, etc. They all have clear sky overhead. I wonder if they will ever find a completly enclosed lava tube on the moon as we find here on earth? Very fascinating photos.

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtr new [Re: bobalex]
      #1470708 - 03/08/07 08:15 PM

Thanks for the tour Mardi I will never get to visit these places due to my wife's illness. So you give me a look at things I can not view personally.

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Re: Walking the Moon on Earth: A Lava Tube Fieldtr new [Re: vikingcraftsman]
      #1471138 - 03/09/07 03:05 AM

Mardi,

than is an very interesting tour, but I have one question. Since Mt. St Helens is a stratovolcano, it's characterised by more viscous lavas than basalts (andesites, dacites and rhyolites). Where did the basalt come from if the tubes were in fact formed by basaltic lavas? Just curious.

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