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Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | (show all) mark8888 Pooh-Bah Reged: 09/24/10 Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: blb]       #5278206 - 06/19/12 02:44 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Saturn, I observed Jupiter. I knew Jupiter. Jupiter was a friend of mine. Saturn, you're no Jupiter. However I don't think you are a loser. Post Extras:       Kris. Carpal Tunnel Reged: 09/16/04 Loc: Belgium Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: Rick Woods]       #5278218 - 06/19/12 02:57 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: Mars is a REAL planet! Real men watch Mars! Post Extras:       David Knisely Postmaster Reged: 04/19/04 Loc: southeastern Nebraska Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: gnowellsct]       #5278252 - 06/19/12 03:43 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: Now, this is not a mere loser troll. Yes, it might be considered a troll (or at the very least, it is something of an odd rant). Jupiter, Saturn, and the other visible bodies of the solar system we like to look at are all not "losers". I'm afraid that the original post is mostly the loser here, as one could have said, "I like Jupiter more than Saturn because...." and then list some valid reasons without bringing in the silly deliberate provocation of the lists of "loserdom" into the mix. The original post just doesn't fly all that well I'm afraid. Post Extras:       azure1961p Postmaster Reged: 01/17/09 Loc: USA Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: mark8888]       #5278342 - 06/19/12 07:20 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: Saturn, I observed Jupiter. I knew Jupiter. Jupiter was a friend of mine. Saturn, you're no Jupiter. However I don't think you are a loser. And in an election year no doubt! Pete Post Extras:       mark8888 Pooh-Bah Reged: 09/24/10 Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: azure1961p]       #5278427 - 06/19/12 08:47 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: And in an election year no doubt! Pete Post Extras:       caheaton Pooh-Bah Reged: 05/26/09 Loc: SW Ohio Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: mark8888]       #5278470 - 06/19/12 09:24 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   WHAT!?! All those craters weren't made by giant chickens?!? Post Extras:       simpleisbetter Carpal Tunnel Reged: 04/18/11 Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: caheaton]       #5278483 - 06/19/12 09:42 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Did someone let the chickens out AGAIN!?!?! Post Extras:       PJ Anway Carpal Tunnel Reged: 06/04/03 Loc: North Coast Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: gnowellsct]       #5278502 - 06/19/12 09:54 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: Now, Jupiter, Jupiter is a PLANET..... And for these reasons I say: Saturn is a loser planet steeped in loserdom, heavy on the lossage. Greg N Your conclusions are supported by their relative positions at opposition this year. Jupiter is given an altitude nearly double that of Saturn. Showing it to be clearly the superiior planet! Post Extras:       gnowellsct Postmaster Reged: 06/24/09 Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: David Knisely]       #5278508 - 06/19/12 09:59 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: Jupiter, Saturn, and the other visible bodies of the solar system we like to look at are all not "losers". I'm afraid that the original post is mostly the loser here, as one could have said, "I like Jupiter more than Saturn because...." Oh David. compare: 1. "I like Jupiter more than Saturn because...." 2. "Saturn is the loser planet full of loserdom and heavy with lossage because of its losing." #1 is anodyne. #2 gets the attention. What's a little opinionated tautology among friends? And actually I've been very polite. I haven't *dared* express my sentiments about M81. GN Post Extras:       mark8888 Pooh-Bah Reged: 09/24/10 Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: gnowellsct]       #5278514 - 06/19/12 10:04 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: Quote: Jupiter, Saturn, and the other visible bodies of the solar system we like to look at are all not "losers". I'm afraid that the original post is mostly the loser here, as one could have said, "I like Jupiter more than Saturn because...." Oh David. compare: 1. "I like Jupiter more than Saturn because...." 2. "Saturn is the loser planet full of loserdom and heavy with lossage because of its losing." #1 is anodyne. #2 gets the attention. What's a little opinionated tautology among friends? And actually I've been very polite. I haven't *dared* express my sentiments about M81. GN I laughed out loud at that (once I looked up what M81 is). Does that make me a geek? Post Extras:       blb Post Laureate Reged: 11/25/05 Loc: Piedmont NC Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: caheaton]       #5278582 - 06/19/12 10:44 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: WHAT!?! All those craters weren't made by giant chickens?!? You mean the one's that were scared off by the cow's jumping over the moon while they were pecking at those giant worms that made the craters. Now that is a lot more interesting than this loser topic. Post Extras:       Alan French Night Owl Reged: 01/28/05 Loc: Upstate NY Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: blb]       #5278700 - 06/19/12 11:56 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Don't make me release the flying monkeys! Under unusually weird skies, Alan (insert Flying Monkey graemlins here) Post Extras:       Alan French Night Owl Reged: 01/28/05 Loc: Upstate NY Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: Alan French]       #5278709 - 06/19/12 12:00 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   If we're going to start insulting Messier objects, the real loser on that list in M40. Clear skies, Alan Post Extras:       E_Look Post Laureate Reged: 03/06/08 Loc: near New York Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: Alan French]       #5278860 - 06/19/12 01:13 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   I think Greg is waiting to see Saturnians launch a rocket from the surface. Post Extras:       midnite4blues professor emeritus Reged: 11/21/05 Loc: Denville, NJ Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: E_Look]       #5279022 - 06/19/12 02:53 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   This reminds me of a post I made a few years ago. I still get a kick out of the responses that suggest if I find Saturn boring, maybe astronomy isn't the hobby for me. Well, 2 years later and I'm still here... Post Extras:       gnowellsct Postmaster Reged: 06/24/09 Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: midnite4blues]       #5279291 - 06/19/12 05:37 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: This reminds me of a post I made a few years ago. I still get a kick out of the responses that suggest if I find Saturn boring, maybe astronomy isn't the hobby for me. Well, 2 years later and I'm still here... Ah, I see from that thread that you noticed that Saturn manifests lossage and loserdom in a loserly fashion. Now is the time to buck up, have the courage of your beliefs! But I too show the general public Saturn and listen to the oohs and ahs. I am there to serve. But facts are facts. We have to face the facts. Saturn just doesn't manifest the sheer ingenuity that Jupiter does. I mean cmon. In the past twenty years Jupiter has been punched by THREE bodies, and it sits there smiling and keeps on taking it. Ask yourself, "What would Saturn do?" Saturn is mousse. No doubt we haven't see any impacts because the stuff just goes in and comes out the other side. Saturn and Titan. Hmmm. Don't believe everything you read. Saturn could be bluffing. Greg N Post Extras:       Jaimo! Pooh-Bah Reged: 10/11/07 Loc: Exit 135 / 40° North Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: gnowellsct]       #5279825 - 06/19/12 10:58 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   I completely agree, Saturn is a looser! I just got in from observing: there's the ring... there's the Cassini Division... there's Titan... wait is that Rhea & Dione? Just like last week! Jupiter and Mars, Gold & Silver Medalists in my book (it is an Olympic year); you always get a different view every evening you go out, they are so much more dynamic. Saturn is only interesting after watching it year in and year out, as the rings tilt, and that is about as dynamic as it gets... after a few outings it isn't changing much. I know Saturn is interesting because it is less dense then water and Titan has an atmosphere mostly made of methane, but I can't see it... I'm an observer! Venus is a distant 4th, except when is transits the Sun, then Uranus & Neptune tie for a close 5th, and Pluto... don't get me started on that one. Saturn seems to fit the same niche as Epsilon Lyre, a great place to test optics and seeing conditions. Saturn however is always a favorite at star parties and with the family, because they don't observe as often. It is my wife's favorite, she see it 3 or 4 time a year for a total of 15 minutes, she says "Wow that's pretty" and then goes back into the house. Jaimo! Post Extras:       blb Post Laureate Reged: 11/25/05 Loc: Piedmont NC Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: Jaimo!]       #5279915 - 06/19/12 11:59 PM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: I completely agree, Saturn is a looser! I just got in from observing: there's the ring... there's the Cassini Division... there's Titan... wait is that Rhea & Dione? Just like last week! Jupiter and Mars, Gold & Silver Medalists in my book (it is an Olympic year); you always get a different view every evening you go out, they are so much more dynamic. Saturn is only interesting after watching it year in and year out, as the rings tilt, and that is about as dynamic as it gets... after a few outings it isn't changing much. I know Saturn is interesting because it is less dense then water and Titan has an atmosphere mostly made of methane, but I can't see it... I'm an observer! Venus is a distant 4th, except when is transits the Sun, then Uranus & Neptune tie for a close 5th, and Pluto... don't get me started on that one. Saturn seems to fit the same niche as Epsilon Lyre, a great place to test optics and seeing conditions. Saturn however is always a favorite at star parties and with the family, because they don't observe as often. It is my wife's favorite, she see it 3 or 4 time a year for a total of 15 minutes, she says "Wow that's pretty" and then goes back into the house. Jaimo! You failed to mention Mercury. It shows the same phases as Venus and will transit the Sun May 9, 2016. You guy's just do not appreciate beauty. Why does it need to provide a show for you? Is that something missing in your make up? I don't care how many times I have seen Saturn, it is still the most beautiful thing in the sky. Using your logic, I bet that you never look at deep sky objects, they almost never change. How boring it must be to look at the same galaxy each year, or that same old star cluster. I am sure you will not spend the time to wait and see any movement in a double star. What a borring hobby this must be for you. What does it say about you that you would continue to do something that you get no pleasure out of. That is the true loser. Post Extras:       azure1961p Postmaster Reged: 01/17/09 Loc: USA Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: Jaimo!]       #5279945 - 06/20/12 12:19 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: I completely agree, Saturn is a looser! I just got in from observing: there's the ring... there's the Cassini Division... there's Titan... wait is that Rhea & Dione? Just like last week! Jupiter and Mars, Gold & Silver Medalists in my book (it is an Olympic year); you always get a different view every evening you go out, they are so much more dynamic. Saturn is only interesting after watching it year in and year out, as the rings tilt, and that is about as dynamic as it gets... after a few outings it isn't changing much. All musings aside in this thread, Saturn IS one of the planets that benefits from at least large aperture. The smaller you go this less details visible and the same it can appear from night to night. With my long focus 8" theres actually a lot of details in the rings and globe in terms of low contrast light and dark values, almost watermark intensities - sometimes even more subtle than that. Storms and irregularities do occur but atleast 10" aperture in a contrasty optical assembly, or larger is the better tool for the detection. Ive glimpsed ditherings of details - rarely on its face that werent typical belts and zones. It IS a tough customer. Maybe something like a C11 or larger would have you thinking differently. Pete Post Extras:       gnowellsct Postmaster Reged: 06/24/09 Re: Saturn: Loser planet [Re: azure1961p]       #5280435 - 06/20/12 10:32 AM Edit   Reply   Quote Quick Reply   Quote: Ive glimpsed ditherings of details - rarely on its face that werent typical belts and zones. It IS a tough customer. Maybe something like a C11 or larger would have you thinking differently. Pete My principal scopes are an FS128 (5"), a 10" f/6 Newt (a very nice one with curved secondary) and a C14. I was able, last year, to follow the storm on Saturn. There are indeed some subtle shadings. But to get into all that is to pursue the lossage. Saturn and its subtleties might be debated in polite society but Jupiter meanwhile is a wild-eyed freak show! Good thing it's far away. Greg N Post Extras:       Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | (show all)

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