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drumacat
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Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new
      #3422543 - 10/31/09 08:08 PM

Hey!
I'm a beginner and was just wondering if the Orion EQ-2 single axis clock drive would be able to take some semi-long exposure pics?
I have a Skywatcher 130mm f/5 and the clock drive on the EQ-2 mount. I know its not the best set up but hey, im just learning.

Thanks!


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WarrenS
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new [Re: drumacat]
      #3422635 - 10/31/09 09:02 PM

Welcome to CN! Use whatever you have to start. It's all part of the learning process. I started with a C8 on a wedge. Follow the forums and you'll improve your skills and have fun!

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drumacat
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new [Re: WarrenS]
      #3424289 - 11/01/09 06:55 PM

thanks WarrenS!
i have a stupid point and shoot kodak easyshare. if i use the video cam function, afocal and mounted on the scope and tracking, would stackin some frames work, say it I was shootin M31?


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varmint
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new [Re: drumacat]
      #3424513 - 11/01/09 09:03 PM

I have no experience taking afocal deep sky object shots with a video camera. If I recall correctly even pointing at the image out of an eyepiece you're going to need a longer exposure than the frame rate you get for a video camera. See if you can "program" the exposure length on your point-and-shoot(PAS) then try taking multi-second exposures (if it allows, some PAS's don't).

That being said, you can definitely take some shots of the planets and moon with the video function (Jupiter is the evening planet, Mars is the morning one right now) and figure out if that works for you. Just remember that even through the EP the image will be somewhat small, and don't "digital" zoom in with your camera.

[edit] P.S. welcome to CN!

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EPs: Naglers: 31, 22, 17, 9, 3.5 Pan’s: 15
Misc: Telrad, 2x&4x Powermate, Sol/OIII/UHC/Var Pol. Filters
Imaging Gear: Pentax K100D, SPC900NC


Edited by varmint (11/01/09 09:04 PM)


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drumacat
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question [Re: varmint]
      #3428528 - 11/04/09 12:34 AM

ok cool. thanks for the info. I'll have to mess around with it.
the camera I have has a 4 sec exposure, would that be long enough if i was to take a bunch? what would you say a round-about number of shots I should take at 4sec for m31 or 42 or even some clusters?

Thanks again!


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Patrick
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new [Re: drumacat]
      #3430062 - 11/04/09 10:20 PM

Hi Drumacat and welcome to CN!

Have you tried attaching your camera to your telescope and taken some pictures of distant objects in the daytime? That might be a good starting point to get a feel for your ability to image objects with a 650mm lense on the EQ2. If you can't reach focus, or if there's jitter in the mount during really short exposures, then even a 4 second exposure may be too long.

If you can get some decent daytime images, then you try 4 second exposures at night. I have to be honest, though, and say I would not expect too much. If you take some 4 second night time exposure, look at the histogram to see where the bulk of the data is located. If it's all the way to the left of the histogram, you may have a very hard time pulling out your signal from the noise, no matter how many frames you gather.

As noted above, give it a try and learn from it.

Regards,

Patrick

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Javier1978
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new [Re: Patrick]
      #3430154 - 11/04/09 11:17 PM Attachment (11 downloads)

Hi, your mount can give you 15 seconds for DSOs with a good polar alignment. Afocal method can be done, not to get great results, but to learn basics issues. A Canon powershot with 15 sec exposure would do a great job.


This a stack of 15 sec subs of Eta Carina, with SW 150 f5 reflector in eq3 mount (have some friends who work with eq2 and take 15 seconds subs too) Not great for sure, but I enjoyed a lot!!

Four seconds is not that much, but if you are trying to learn go with them!

Edited by Javier1978 (11/04/09 11:24 PM)


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Javier1978
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new [Re: Javier1978]
      #3430163 - 11/04/09 11:20 PM Attachment (6 downloads)

And a video of the moon. Same equipment at 200 x.

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6" f5 Sky Watcher Reflector
Eq3 mount (Dual Axis)
Unmodded Canon 300 D


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drumacat
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new [Re: Javier1978]
      #3430271 - 11/05/09 12:19 AM

Sweet pics! if i could get them to look like that i'd be happy.

how many 15 sec subs are stacked in the first picture?


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Javier1978
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new [Re: drumacat]
      #3431735 - 11/05/09 06:56 PM

They might be something like 20 lights, 15 darks and 25 bias, but I donŽt remember exactly.

I will love to image for a while like this, then youŽll want to turn to prime focus imaging with a DSRL or a dedicated CCD. Do what you can with what you have, and have a lot of fun!!

Good luck.

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Eq3 mount (Dual Axis)
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Jimmy2K63
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new [Re: Javier1978]
      #3431869 - 11/05/09 08:31 PM

Anything is worth a try. It will teach you the limits of your mount and camera if nothing else, and it wets your appetite for more. If it was well aligned you might be able to piggyback the camera on the scope and try some shots and stack them and go from there. A little time and a little battery power is worth the attempt to learn more.

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drumacat
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Re: Beginner Astrophoto Equipment Question new [Re: Jimmy2K63]
      #3436976 - 11/08/09 07:24 PM

awesome guys! thanks a lot

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