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Preston Smith
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Reged: 04/24/05
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Loc: Eureka, Pa
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Hi Folks! This is a summary of my first travel experience with the Stellarvue SV115T. In about a week I hope to submit a more detailed report to Cloudy Nights.
From 16-25 March 2009 I was on a business trip to San Antonio, Texas and Southern Puerto Rico. It was the perfect opportunity to take my SV115T on its first “flight.” I have traveled from Hawaii to Baghdad with many different travel scopes but this was by far the largest refractor package I have ever traveled with.
-------------------- Preston
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40:26
SV115T,NHII,SV70,SV50 and Tele Vue Ranger
Vintage Refractors: Asahi-Pentax, Edmund Scientific, Tasco, Unitron
60mm Telescope Club
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Preston Smith
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Reged: 04/24/05
Posts: 3427
Loc: Eureka, Pa
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Purpose of traveling with this scope: Many 102mm and larger refractors are advertised as “airline transportable” but are they a realistic consideration when traveling on a business trip or while on vacation? This will be an objective assessment of that proposed capability.
Objectives for this trip: 1. To go on a business trip and travel with a larger, 115mm refractor. 2. To keep my footprint limited to two, carry-on bags and one checked bag 3. No charges for extra, overweight or oversized bags 4. The mount and tripod had to be fairly light and compact yet provide a stable platform with negligible vibration - now that’s quite a challenging expectation!
My traveling experiences always drive me to assess three critical factors: Size, Weight and “The Total Package” needed for the scope.
Size: Scope manufacturers will often identify a refractor as “airline transportable” if the overall or “reduced” length is less than 21 inches. That may mean taking off the focuser or an extension. If the case will be 20 inches or longer, you will want to put the scope in the overhead bins. That is just too long to place under the seat in front of you – there really won’t be enough room for your feet – especially for longer trips. Now, in order to fit your scope case into the overhead compartment of those smaller “express” passenger jets, the maximum height of the scope bag cannot exceed 7.5 inches. Anything taller and you would be compressing it to fit through the door of the overhead bin. Always remember that almost airlines do not allow carry-on bags to exceed 45 linear inches (length + width + height). That’s not a lot of room for a large refractor!
The diameter of the dew shield on my SV115T is 5.5 inches. That gives me 1” of cushioning on the two side walls of the bag– using custom cut hard foam and the reinforced side panels in a Stellarvue C7 bag. The hard foam cushioning on all other sides of the objective is greater than 1”. Not a lot of side cushioning but the hard foam and reinforced panel provides a lot more protection then soft foam.
Weight: The SV115T is a very svelte 11 pounds. Still, the bag and foam, a 2” diagonal, 2” eyepiece and the 6 pound counterweight for the mount increased the total weight of the scope bag to about 25 pounds. When having to schlep from one end of an airport to another to catch a connecting flight, that weight can start to feel like 50 pounds! With bags such as this, it is very important to have multiple ways to carry it. So, a handle and a shoulder strap are essential. Wheels are always a great option too.
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Preston Smith
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Reged: 04/24/05
Posts: 3427
Loc: Eureka, Pa
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The Total Package:
This is the most important consideration when traveling with a scope. What about all the “other” equipment needed to support the scope and the observing session? The tripod, mount, rings or clamshell, eyepieces, filters, barlows, warm clothing, hat and shoes for the cooler evening and higher elevations, tools, red/white flashlight, planisphere or PDA with astro software, batteries or power tank (if the mount is powered), a reflex or optical finder, something soft to kneel on, bug repellent and of course, a coffee cup! A lot of stuff!
Always remember: as the scope gets bigger so does the total package! VERY IMPORTANT! You must check each of airline’s website to see what fees they charge for additional, overweight and oversized bags – for each leg of the trip! For this particular trip, I took three different airlines to go from Philadelphia to San Antonio to San Juan and back to Philadelphia. Therefore, If I took an additional bag ($25/$25/$25) that was oversized ($175/$150/$100) AND overweight ($90/$50/$50) it would have cost me an additional $690! Wow!
Needless to say, my goal was NOT to take any additional bags. And I also wanted to make sure that the single bag that I checked would NOT exceed 50 pounds!
To balance my load and not incur any charges, I split my “telescope package” into the following bags (along with my other clothing and travel items):
Telescope Bag: OTA, extension and focuser, diagonal, one large eyepiece and the mount’s six pound counterweight.
Laptop Bag: Scope rings, eyepieces, Powermate, red/white flashlight, reflex finder, PDA with “Planetarium” software,
Checked Bag: Mount, custom tripod legs, tools,
And I wore a light, fleece jacket and wool (Irish) cap onto the aircraft...
The mount and tripod:
Because the OTA only weighs 11 pounds, I found I was able to use the SV115T with a vintage, lightweight, Vixen Polaris mount (circa 1980s) in Alt–Az configuration, using the original, six pound counterweight- very solid. But the large wooden legs I used with the mount were simply too long and too heavy to take on the plane.
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Preston Smith
Military Observer
   
Reged: 04/24/05
Posts: 3427
Loc: Eureka, Pa
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Still, I greatly appreciated the dampening quality of wood, so off to my woodshop! I made a set of wooden legs out of white pine. Folded, they were 28.5 inches long so they would (barely) fit into my big suitcase. The pine was very light. A small, lightweight chain assembly prevented the legs from splaying outward.
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Preston Smith
Military Observer
   
Reged: 04/24/05
Posts: 3427
Loc: Eureka, Pa
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So here is the weight breakdown of my “Scope Package”
OTA: 11 pounds
Rings, Mount and Counterweight: 14 pounds
Wooden tripod legs, hardware and chain: 6 pounds
Eyepieces, diagonal, Powermate, Red Dot Finder, flashlight: 4 pounds
PDA, tools and warm clothing: 3 pounds
Total Package Weight: 38 pounds!
BTW, My checked bag which included my other clothing and travel items weighed 48 pounds – I still had two pounds to spare!
The actual traveling with the scope was (fortunately) uneventful. I always have a large tag on my bag announcing to all security personnel that the bag contains a sensitive optical instrument. I also always announce to the x-ray technician that I there is a telescope in the bag before I send it into the machine. This prevents confusion when they see the long tube.
Edited by Preston Smith (04/01/09 08:39 AM)
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Preston Smith
Military Observer
   
Reged: 04/24/05
Posts: 3427
Loc: Eureka, Pa
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While I was in San Antonio, I took the advice from a member of the Stellarvue Yahoo Group and drove about an hour north of the city to Guadalupe State Park. For $16, I was able to get a “camping site” which allowed us to stay in the park after dusk. It was a fairly good elevation and only the southern portion of the sky was impacted by the light dome of San Antonio. I had two guests with me and we had several hours of pleasant observing. They had never experienced observing at higher powers. Saturn at over 300X really blew their socks off!
The mount and the wooden legs worked great. Solid, no wobble, smooth operation. Going up to the Zenith did require a “one-knee” stance but one of the hard foam pads from the telescope case gave excellent padding and saved our knee caps!
The next day I was all packed up again and getting on a plane to head to San Juan, Puerto Rico then drove down to the southern part of the island with a co-worker. This was to be the most exciting part of my observing as Puerto Rico offered the unique opportunity to observe at 18 degrees latitude. But clouds or rain in the evening thwarted my attempts until my last night on the island. Even then I had the harsh reality that there as a lot of moisture in the air and I had a town to the south of me throwing a large light dome into the sky – preventing me from getting any good viewing into the southern hemisphere! Arrrgh! I only picked up a few targets. Still it was great public opportunity to show more people what could be seen with a telescope – and I always enjoy doing that.
So was it worth it?
SOME PROS:
+ Through a lot of weight management and making some special tripod legs I was able to take a larger refractor and a fairly large “package” at no extra cost.
+ All airport security personnel and flight attendants were fully supportive of my traveling with a “Fragile Optical Instrument.”
+ The customized Stellavue C7 bag worked very well and fit into all the overhead compartments – even the smaller express aircraft. A larger bag would not have fit in the smaller jets overheads and would have had to go into hold baggage during the trip (very scary).
+ It was great having the larger aperture to capture more light for Deep Space Objects.
+ It was great having an APO triplet for high power planetary viewing with no false color.
+ The wooden legs and mount worked exceptionally well.
SOME CONS
- Carrying the larger scope (and hence, the larger scope package) was definitely “noticeable” for this “50ish” year old man.
- You need to be in good shape to haul a 25 pound telescope case around the airport. In the future I may consider purchasing a lightweight dolly that could be attached/strapped to the case or get a custom case made to the same size as the Stellarvue bag but with wheels and a collapsing handle – if possible.
- Although the tripod worked great, it could have been taller. I will make some extensions that can go on the bottom of the legs but still pack easily in a suitcase.
- The scope is an expensive scope. I didn’t get a chance to call my insurance company to make sure that the scope would be covered if it was damaged. That is ALWAYS something that must be considered – especially when traveling to different countries.
- The reflex finder worked very well but I wish I would have had room for an optical finder, a larger wide field 2” eyepiece or a small pair of binoculars when cutting through some of the light pollution.
Final Comments:
It was very unique to travel with a larger scope. I definitely enjoyed the extra “horsepower” from the increased aperture.
I’m now very interested in putting my SV115T in a side-by-side comparison with a good 90mm triplet to see how well the smaller scope would perform – and if it would be a substitute consideration for a travel scope.
I still love my small refractors! I have several 50mm-80mm refractors that I often travel with. Depending on what I am planning on observing, they all have a role!
The question that has to be asked is “How many bags can you effectively manage?” Obviously you want to carry-on your scope. If you are bringing a laptop, you will have to hand carry that on to the airplane as well (TSA has identified on their website that laptops should NOT be placed in checked baggage).
I will have my scope at NEAF – and will be looking to try it on some of the other Alt-Az and GOTO mounts that might work well for traveling.
And now, please stand by for a shameless plug:
If you are coming to NEAF… stop by and see my short presentation on “Traveling with a Small Telescope” – it should be on both Saturday and Sunday afternoon in the back of the display area! Come and share your interests and/or experiences of traveling with a scope!
The photo below was taken in Baghdad at Sather Air Force Base in 2007 through night vision googles. It was a great opportunity to bring observing to the troops. Vic Maris at Stellarvue donated the scope to our deployed unit.
-------------------- Preston
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40:26
SV115T,NHII,SV70,SV50 and Tele Vue Ranger
Vintage Refractors: Asahi-Pentax, Edmund Scientific, Tasco, Unitron
60mm Telescope Club
Edited by Preston Smith (04/01/09 08:33 AM)
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m9x18
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Reged: 10/12/07
Posts: 811
Loc: Abilene, Texas
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Excellent presentation Preston!
-------------------- Robert
All that is complex is not useful and all that is useful is simple. -- Mikhail Kalashnikov
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Phil Frederick
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Reged: 12/19/05
Posts: 844
Loc: Seattle, WA & La Paz MX
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Thanks Preston,
Hauling this stuff around is always a challange. Your insights are much appreciated--I'm sure by all of us.
And it sounds like you had a great trip! 
Phil
-------------------- Phil
Intes M500 MCT (Teton Mods)
Stellarvue SV115EDT
Stellarvue SVR70ED Raptor
Orion ST80 f/5 w/Crayford
SV F50 Sparrowhawk
SV F60 Biggerhawk
Tak Teeguls, SV MG, SV Stablelock tripod, TV Gibraltar tripod, a rebuilt TV Gibraltar tripod with fixed Walnut/Oak legs, M1 on Bogen475
... Naglers, Panoptics, Stratus'
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mistyridge
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Reged: 10/28/05
Posts: 2376
Loc: Loomis, CA ,14mi from SV headq...
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Thanks Preston for the nice report.
-------------------- Mike F
Misty Ridge Observatory
Stellarvue SV115T
Stellarvue SV70ED
Stellarvue Nighthawk
SV F50
18" f/4.5 Teeter's, Swayze mirror
12.5" f/5 Astrosky, OWL mirror
SV 15X70 Binos
Mounts: DM-6,M-1,CG-5(ASGT)
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Erik Bakker
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Posts: 528
Loc: Haren, The Netherlands, Europe
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Hey Preston,
Impressive report. You must be a strooooong man to carry that scopebag around an airport terminal. I find my limit is the 70mm f/8 fluorite weighing in at only 6 pounds in it's Gitzo bag. I find it a superb scope under dark skies.
I use it on a solid Gitzo 224 tripod that is 25" long and weighs around 7 pounds. It can be extended to observe objects in the zenith while standing tall. The Manfrotto 501 HDV head supplies smooth and stable positioning of the scope in almost any direction. Total weight of tripod and head is around 10 ponds.
In my small eyepiece case I have a Zeiss 1 1/4" prism diagonal, 24 WideField (finder), 16N T5, 9N T6, 7N and 4.8N. Total weight around 5 pounds.
Total weight of everything is 21 pounds of wich I generally carry only the OTA (6 pounds) as carry-on. More would take the fun out of travelling for me.
So again, I am very impressed by your story Preston. Could have fooled me here on April 1st. Curious what you find when comparing the 115 to the 90mm.
Clear skies,
Erik
-------------------- Visual astronomer, main instruments:
Fully mounted Questar 7 P-BB
Celestron C 102F f/8.8 fluorite
Vixen FL 70S f/8 fluorite
Celestron C 55F f/8 fluorite
Sets of Zeiss, TeleVue and Brandon eyepieces
Zeiss 7x50 Marine B/GA
Zeiss TM german equatorial
Gitzo 224 with Manfrotto 501 fluid head
Unitron alt-az mount
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Preston Smith
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Reged: 04/24/05
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Loc: Eureka, Pa
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Thanks Everyone! I really enjoy traveling with a scope so I like to make folks aware of how much fun it is and some of the associated tricks to learn and traps to avoid.
Thanks for sharing about your travel package Erik! 
I always like to learn what others take with them. I think 70mm is a great aperture for (lighter) travel. I have a Stellarvue 70ED and I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of a Tele Vue Ranger. I've wanted that scope for many years.
I just purchased a used Ioptron Cube and have been testing that with the 70mm. So far it's working great and has a lot of potential to be a travel mount.
You have a nice cache of eyepieces! One that I always take with me is the 2.5X Powermate. It allows me to take less eyepieces. I also always take a 8-24mm zoom. Using that with the Powermate gives me a great range of power. You wisely pack a wide angle eyepiece to turn your 70mm into a finder. Good decision. I use a 32mm Tele Vue Plossl or a 32mm Meade 4000 (old series) Super Plossl for my SV70ED. But I still pack a Red Dot (Reflex) finder too.
For my smaller scopes I have the (older) version of the Stellarvue grab-n-go tripod with the M1 mount or an older Gitzo Reporter tripod with a very small Alt-Az mount.
I would really like to hear what other folks take with them when they travel with their scope - chime in!
-------------------- Preston
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40:26
SV115T,NHII,SV70,SV50 and Tele Vue Ranger
Vintage Refractors: Asahi-Pentax, Edmund Scientific, Tasco, Unitron
60mm Telescope Club
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David E
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Excellent Preston! 
I rarely travel by plane myself but I'm sure your report will help a lot of people who do and would like to carry a telescope with them.
-------------------- David E
If you keep a stack of old Orion catalogs in your bathroom, you might be an astro-redneck.
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Preston Smith
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Reged: 04/24/05
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Loc: Eureka, Pa
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Thanks David!
A lot of this info - especially the "Total Package" aspect can be applied to those who prefer to travel via terrestrial modes of transportation!
-------------------- Preston
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40:26
SV115T,NHII,SV70,SV50 and Tele Vue Ranger
Vintage Refractors: Asahi-Pentax, Edmund Scientific, Tasco, Unitron
60mm Telescope Club
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ssatko
scholastic sledgehammer
   
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Posts: 891
Loc: NC
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Great report, Preston. This post should be made into a "sticky," as it's a great reference for anyone wanting advice for traveling with a scope.
-------------------- Scott
SV80/9D
SV102ABV
Orion 4.5" Starblast
Meade LX90 8" UHTC
Orion XT12i
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Clive Gibbons
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Thanks for sharing, Preston. 
Lots of good info there for others who're thinking of travelling with their scopes, too.
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A few telescopes of dubious value.
Understanding wife, two curious cats and one sadly departed.
"Semper ubi sub ubi"
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Scott99
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Reged: 05/10/07
Posts: 696
Loc: New England
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great report! I tried this recently for the first time and it was much harder than I thought it would be. Your report really covers the issues that come up. That's awesome that you were able to get a full 115mm of refractor on the trip.
those tripod legs are really nice! Good job. Nothing like making it yourself to get exactly what you need.
When I traveled I took the scope with me on the plane and put a Tak Teegul and Berlebach Uni into a single padded bag and checked it through.
My conclusion after the trip was: I don't want to do this again. 105mm refractor was too heavy to carry around the aiport, and to the car, and to my hotel, etc.
I decided next time I'd check the tripod & mount and just UPS-ground ship the scope to my hotel in advance or something. I didn't mind bringing the tripod & mount because I just handed the bag off to the skycap guy for a $2 tip, no carrying at all.
That also would enable me to take a nice 102mm f/9 scope as well, which I like better than a f/6 one. obviously with this method you won't be using an irreplaceable scope or one that is too expensive to insure for the UPS trip.
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t.r.
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Two concerns I have with "Jet-Setting" an apo refractor around...With todays terrorism focus, the potential for some goliath-handed screener to put their mitts all over the scope reguardless of my begging restraint and I have in the past encountered the commuter/regional-jet being overfilled and making me put even my small carry-on in stowage! Your C-7 case would not have survived this to your satisfaction(watch the ramp personnel throw the bags around sometime). Any observations or comments of this happening to others?
-------------------- Present Stable:
Kmart 40mm(first scope @ age 8)
Jason 60mm
C80SS
Tak Sky90II
PST
C6XLT
AP130 "Gran Turismo"
C-11XLT
EQ-2,CG-4,ASGT-5,DenkII's,TV(zoom,plossls,Ethos),Pentax XW's,UO volcano set, ZAOII 4mm,BaaderZoom and other un-notables
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
Carl Sagan
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Preston Smith
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Loc: Eureka, Pa
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Hi Tim,
Good point. I have been traveling for years with a travel scope and I did have this happen to me (but thankfully only one time).
I went up to the attendant at the counter (prior to going out the gate) and explained that I had a highly sensitive optical instrument (look above to see the tag I put on all my scopes). I informed her that it was a highly fragile instrument and I wanted it to be the last item on, the first item out, handled carefully and properly tied down. I was very focused and direct on these statements. They complied with all of my requests. Before I handed it to the baggage handler, I asked him if he was briefed on this item and what the instructions were. I stood out there when they were loading it and they did treat it carefully.
Having the "Fragile tag" exposed really helps in these situations. When I get on the commuters I often have an attendant ask me if the bag can be checked in hold baggage. I simply point to the label and say, Oh no, this is much too fragile an instrument for that - and they nod and off I go into the cabin with the scope.
As far as the TSA screeners, I tell them right up front that I will be glad to open my case but it is a very fragile and expensive instrument. If they are not going to treat it as such then please get the supervisor before we start. I've had no problems thus far.
A lot has to do with taking charge of the situation, not settling for compromise and having a course of action before you walk into the airport.
One additional note: I always go out to the TSA website and the airline website to get the latest info on baggage and security checking. I print out a copy and use that as a source document if there are any issues. It works.
-------------------- Preston
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40:26
SV115T,NHII,SV70,SV50 and Tele Vue Ranger
Vintage Refractors: Asahi-Pentax, Edmund Scientific, Tasco, Unitron
60mm Telescope Club
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ssatko
scholastic sledgehammer
   
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Preston, once again, these are really great tips. If any moderators are reading, I'd really love to see this turned into a sticky thread. It seems that a lot of people could benefit from Preston's advice.
-------------------- Scott
SV80/9D
SV102ABV
Orion 4.5" Starblast
Meade LX90 8" UHTC
Orion XT12i
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Preston Smith
Military Observer
   
Reged: 04/24/05
Posts: 3427
Loc: Eureka, Pa
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Thanx Scott!
I'm working up a more detailed article to give to Cloudy Nights next week.
This also helps me with the presentations that I give on "Traveling with a Small Telescope."
-------------------- Preston
Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40:26
SV115T,NHII,SV70,SV50 and Tele Vue Ranger
Vintage Refractors: Asahi-Pentax, Edmund Scientific, Tasco, Unitron
60mm Telescope Club
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