Quote: I would read the papers *if* I had access to them
Go to the nearest university library and get it.
I already told you, I am too far away from UNL's library (and I work nights), so I don't have access to them. I CAN'T read them right now. Why can't you understand this?
Quote: Quote: The Oxygen III line filter experiment I described earlier *does* indicate that the reddish color I was seeing in the nebulosity was due to red light from M42 getting into my eye and not some illusion as you seem to allege.
You have no way to prove this. I show you how a porcess tha is alway active in our mind may literally invent red where there only is black. How can you be sure that the same did not happen?
And you, my friend, have *no* proof that my observations were not accurate! If the nebula looked reddish with the OIII filter having the red passband but showed no red coloration when using the OIII filter that has no red transmission, this is proof enough. If my eyes are incapable of seeing dim red at all in M42 (as you seem to be stating), then why did a change in filter make a difference?? The reason is that I *did* see red in the nebula because that red secondary passband is the *only* difference between the two filters!
You keep arguing based only on lab experiments set up under conditions which may not accurately replicate those in the actual visual observations of bright nebulae. Such studies can be a *guide* as to where low-light level color vision becomes unreliable, but as Don and others have already pointed out to you, the conditions which people observe M42 with large apertures are bright enough that color vision is definitely possible, *including seeing RED*!
Quote: In addition I have Lumicon UHC which incidentally have a similar red leakage. I measured it with my own hands (so I beleive it is correct) using a research class instrument (the spectra are not from some official datashet).
That is nice, but I was *not* using a UHC filter! I was using an older Lumicon Oxygen III LINE filter!! It has a standard OIII passband about 118 Angstroms wide (FWHM) with peak transmission of 94% at the 5007 Angstrom line, and a broad red secondary passband which starts climbing upwards around 6100 Angstroms and reaches a transmission at H-alpha of between 85% and 90%. As I stated earlier, the spectrum of M42 in that wavelength range has little continuum emission with the dominant feature being the strong H-alpha line. Not all the Lumicon OIII filters produced at that time were exactly like this one (the actual profile and transmission of the red passband varied), but more than a few people have reported this feature and have used it to see red in M42. The red passband no longer exists with current Lumicon OIII filters, but it did then. If you want to see the variability of a few of the Lumicon filter transmission profiles (independently measured) I might suggest the following URL:
In any case, the DGM Optics NPB has a *dedicated* H-alpha secondary passband, so it is in the correct location and at a high level of transmission. In large scopes, that filter does help bring out the faint reddish hues in M42 in a way somewhat like that older OIII filter did.