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Tony Flanders
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Reged: 05/18/06
Posts: 2093
Loc: Cambridge, MA, USA
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Re: Ground Truth for the Bortle Scale
06/09/08 12:31 PM
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Is it true that from the very darkest locations in the world, you can actually glimpse mag 8 stars visually?
Who, me? No way! But I don't doubt that John Bortle and Steve O'Meara can. And Barbara Wilson has described a night where she could see every star in Sky Atlas 2000.0.
As for me, my limiting naked-eye stellar magnitude seems to top out long before the sky gets anywhere close to pristine. I can see 6.5-mag stars fairly easily in the yellow zone, in places where the Milky Way is quite obviously washed out even overhead. But I've never been anywhere where I could see every 7.0-mag star that I've looked for. That's one of the reasons why NELM is not an especially useful indicator for me.
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Also, when they say that an 8" sct can "see" down to 14th mag, what kind of visual limiting mag are they talking about?
I wouldn't take statements like this too seriously. Yes, under dark skies with excellent seeing, keen-eyed observers can undoubtedly see fainter than mag 15.0 in an 8-inch scope. And obviously, if the sky is both bright and severely hazy, you might have trouble seeing first-magnitude stars through the same instrument.
But in general, light pollution has less effect on limiting telescopic magnitude than limiting naked-eye magnitude. That's because magnification is your first weapon against light pollution. Human eyes operate far below the optimal magnification for a 7-mm aperture.
For what it's worth, I've never been anywhere where I couldn't see 4.0-mag stars on a night of good transparency, as long as there weren't lights shining directly in my face. That includes my mother's apartment in upper Manhattan and the 87th floor of the Empire State Building. I've never tried from serious bright spots like (say) Las Vegas or Tokyo.
-------------------- Tony Flanders
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