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Clive Gibbons
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Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again)
      07/04/08 09:36 AM

Last night was clear and cool, but most importantly, seeing had improved since the last observing session.
Circumstances allowed another brief test of the Megrez 110ED with a Celestron 1.25" prism diagonal.
Since Epsilon Bootes (Izar) was ideally placed, it was target #1.
At 76x, the first thing noticed was how crisp the star looked. The second thing noticed was Izar's companion snuggled up close to the primary. Woah! That was a surprise... I didn't expect it to pop into view at so low a power. Upping the mag. to 147x made the double even more obvious and began revealing the diffraction image.
It was easy to see that, a) the amount of spurious red had been largely eliminated, b) the image was cleaner and contrastier than I'd ever seen before and c) the bluish color of the fainter companion was now easy to spot.
Seeing was good enough to boost the power some more, but would the optics hold up?
187x looked as sharp. Just more image scale and better separation. The color contrast of the stars was enhanced further. 229x and Izar was still glorious. Finally, 306x was all the power I could throw at the star... and it didn't suffer at all. The limit this night was the seeing.

In my 33 years of fumbling around under the night sky, I can't recall an accessory (the prism diagonal) making such a profound change in a telescope's optical performance.
The Megrez was very good when used with it's mirror diagonal. But switching to a prism has lifted it to a whole new level. Spurious color has been cut in half. Overall image correction is markedly improved. I previously suggested that the prism seems to have upgraded the FPL51 objective to the level of an FPL52 lens. Well, how about an FPL53 doublet?? It's gotta be almost there.
Now the Megrez 110ED is running much closer to the Sky-Watcher ED120.

The brief session was capped off with a peek at Epsilon Lyrae (the Double-Double, Canada's favorite star ).
At 229x, just a perfect image. Four hard, sharp Airy disks, each circled by a faintly visible diffraction ring.
The stars looked "whiter" than before. None of the slight greenish tint previously observed when using the mirror.
Again, I suspect this is due to the improved color correction when using the prism.

In conclusion, I can't say that a prism diagonal will improve the performance of every fast, inexpensive ED doublet on the market, let alone other Megrez 110ED's.
But, it wouldn't surprise me if it'll help more than a few.
For the price of a good quality prism diagonal (even cheaper if ya find a nice used one), you could add $500 worth of performance to your scope.
That could be the deal of a lifetime!


P.s.,
I also hope the manufacturers and vendors of today's inexpensive ED doublets will explore the possible performance advantages of a prism diagonal when used in their scopes. If it can routinely boost image quality so dramatically, perhaps prism diagonals should come as standard equipment?

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* Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons 07/04/08 09:36 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) diggy   09/01/08 02:40 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   09/02/08 09:18 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   09/03/08 09:12 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   09/04/08 08:32 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   09/04/08 11:46 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) bob midiri   09/04/08 12:08 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   09/04/08 06:11 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   09/09/08 04:00 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   09/09/08 04:03 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Danno2006   07/04/08 11:23 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) ValeryD   07/05/08 02:17 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Thomas A Davis   07/06/08 02:17 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/07/08 11:51 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Pasquale   07/07/08 01:40 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/07/08 02:02 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Thomas A Davis   07/08/08 10:25 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/08/08 12:28 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Canadian   07/08/08 03:18 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/08/08 03:34 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Canadian   07/08/08 09:49 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) TONGKW   07/08/08 10:11 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/09/08 08:44 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) TONGKW   07/09/08 09:27 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/10/08 08:47 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Mr Onions   07/10/08 08:53 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/10/08 10:08 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Mr Onions   07/10/08 10:39 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Chris Schroeder   07/10/08 02:52 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/10/08 02:56 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) pcad   07/10/08 08:50 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Dirtyharry   07/12/08 03:05 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   07/14/08 02:27 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/14/08 08:39 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   07/16/08 06:16 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/17/08 08:45 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/17/08 08:52 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/17/08 08:53 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) rick rian   07/17/08 09:52 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/17/08 10:35 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Scott BeithAdministrator   07/17/08 11:30 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/17/08 12:01 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   07/20/08 04:59 PM
. * JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   07/25/08 09:10 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   08/08/08 09:18 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal katodog   08/08/08 10:02 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   08/08/08 11:50 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal katodog   08/08/08 10:20 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   08/11/08 09:13 AM
. * Re: Antares!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   08/12/08 12:03 PM
. * Re: Antares!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal katodog   08/12/08 12:56 PM
. * Re: Antares!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   08/12/08 01:07 PM
. * Re: Antares!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal katodog   08/12/08 01:32 PM
. * Re: Antares!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   08/12/08 01:37 PM
. * Re: Antares!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal katodog   08/16/08 09:40 AM
. * JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal rick rian   07/25/08 09:30 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   07/25/08 11:43 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal rick rian   07/25/08 02:00 PM
. * JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal NorthCoast   07/25/08 11:42 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   07/25/08 02:15 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Jan Owen   07/27/08 12:10 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   07/28/08 02:12 PM
. * Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   08/01/08 02:47 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag jrbarnett   08/05/08 01:12 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/05/08 08:51 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag mega256   08/05/08 10:30 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag mega256   08/05/08 11:20 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/05/08 12:05 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag mega256   08/05/08 12:27 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag mega256   08/05/08 12:47 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag PEterW   08/05/08 02:48 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag scopedude   08/09/08 08:53 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/11/08 09:18 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag katodog   08/11/08 10:16 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/11/08 11:11 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag katodog   08/11/08 11:48 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/11/08 01:37 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag katodog   08/11/08 02:29 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag katodog   08/09/08 09:06 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag chboss   08/09/08 12:33 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/05/08 02:54 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Jan Owen   08/16/08 03:36 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/18/08 10:58 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Paul P   08/18/08 03:55 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/18/08 04:12 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Paul P   08/18/08 04:53 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Itz marcus   08/18/08 05:34 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/19/08 08:49 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/21/08 01:21 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag mega256   08/05/08 03:10 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/05/08 03:28 PM
. * Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal dmd   08/02/08 06:04 PM
. * Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal mega256   08/05/08 12:55 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal NorthCoast   07/26/08 08:45 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   07/26/08 09:00 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal NorthCoast   07/26/08 09:15 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal NorthCoast   07/26/08 09:17 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal NorthCoast   07/26/08 10:40 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Nick-Sydney   07/26/08 01:22 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/20/08 08:33 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Henry Link   07/21/08 12:22 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/21/08 12:34 PM
. * Baader T-2 vs. Celestron Prism... Surprise. Clive Gibbons   07/22/08 08:59 AM
. * Re: Baader T-2 vs. Celestron Prism... Surprise. rick rian   07/22/08 10:19 AM
. * Re: Baader T-2 vs. Celestron Prism... Surprise. Clive Gibbons   07/22/08 10:49 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) ScottAz   07/19/08 09:47 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/19/08 03:23 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) VanJan   07/19/08 08:13 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/20/08 12:12 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) VanJan   07/20/08 01:46 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/20/08 08:28 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Mike Foreman   07/19/08 10:45 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) ACCUSED   07/16/08 08:25 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/16/08 08:53 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/16/08 09:06 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) ACCUSED   07/16/08 09:11 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) DBA52   07/16/08 09:19 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) roadi   07/15/08 05:24 AM
. * WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? NorthCoast   07/14/08 07:53 PM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? Clive Gibbons   07/15/08 08:31 AM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? NorthCoast   07/15/08 11:50 AM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? Clive Gibbons   07/15/08 01:08 PM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? rogerry   07/15/08 02:15 PM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? Clive Gibbons   07/16/08 09:52 AM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? NHRob   07/15/08 09:10 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Nick Lloyd   07/14/08 07:57 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/08/08 09:13 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) rick rian   07/08/08 09:56 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) ValeryD   07/06/08 05:29 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Houdini   07/06/08 06:37 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/07/08 08:59 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/07/08 09:15 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) rick rian   07/07/08 09:34 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) GeorgeDuke   08/22/08 01:07 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   08/22/08 01:11 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) GeorgeDuke   08/22/08 02:10 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   08/22/08 02:31 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) BCB   08/23/08 11:54 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   08/25/08 08:59 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) bob midiri   08/25/08 01:51 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   08/25/08 02:08 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) BCB   08/25/08 05:51 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   08/26/08 08:34 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Chris Schroeder   08/26/08 01:54 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   08/26/08 02:15 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) tegea   08/27/08 04:45 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   08/27/08 09:37 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Ronny Floyd   08/27/08 12:51 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   08/27/08 01:04 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) tegea   08/27/08 01:51 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   08/27/08 02:00 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) tegea   08/28/08 03:59 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   08/28/08 09:21 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) tegea   08/29/08 02:06 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) rvb   08/29/08 06:03 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) katodog   08/26/08 02:13 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Itz marcus   08/25/08 01:57 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) mega256   08/24/08 03:37 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) mega256   08/25/08 02:49 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) mega256   08/25/08 03:07 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Luigi   07/07/08 09:49 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/07/08 09:59 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) roadi   07/04/08 10:27 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Mr Onions   07/04/08 11:15 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/04/08 11:23 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) rick rian   07/04/08 12:01 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/04/08 12:24 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Mr Onions   07/04/08 01:45 PM
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