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Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again)
      07/07/08 11:51 AM

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Explains exactly what I have seen with some of the ED
doublets out there. They tend to not handle the red well
so that they can be well corrected in the blue/violet. My
Orion 80ED fell out in the red, and worked better with a
prism diagonal.
My 80mm triplet and 127mm triplet are well
corrected in the red, but fall out a bit in the blue/violet.
I tried a prism diagonal in my 80mm triplet, and the color
correction got noticeably worse on a white fencepost with
the prism. Just a bare trace of violet at 160X with a
mirror diagonal, that went to clearly evident blue/violet
with the prism and same eyepiece. No magic, just a shift
back to a standard correction on the ED scopes that seem
so well corrected in the blue/violet. Too many fail to
understand the effect of poorer red correction on the view
of certain double stars (such as Izar) and the planets.
Shifting the color correction does seem to sell scopes
though.

As to the Chromacor, yes, definite, real improvement. I
still remember the experience I had testing you first
prototype on my 120mm and 150mm achromats. The improvement
in planetary detail was immediately evident. The Chromacor
provided a real improvement in color correction, I can
vouch for that from experience.


Tom





Hi Tom.
Your observations seem to support what I've suggested.
I certainly wouldn't imply that using a prism will improve the correction of an ED triplet (or doublet) which has already been optimized for visual observing.

The marketplace is now flooding with ED doublets and many (most) of them appear to display the red defocus you and others have mentioned. If a relatively inexpensive prism-type diagonal can neatly solve that issue, I think there's a great potential for owners of these scopes to realize improved image quality for a small additional investment.

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* Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons 07/04/08 09:36 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) diggy   09/01/08 02:40 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   09/02/08 09:18 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   09/03/08 09:12 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   09/04/08 08:32 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   09/04/08 11:46 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) bob midiri   09/04/08 12:08 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   09/04/08 06:11 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   09/09/08 04:00 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   09/09/08 04:03 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Danno2006   07/04/08 11:23 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) ValeryD   07/05/08 02:17 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Thomas A Davis   07/06/08 02:17 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/07/08 11:51 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Pasquale   07/07/08 01:40 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/07/08 02:02 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Thomas A Davis   07/08/08 10:25 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/08/08 12:28 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Canadian   07/08/08 03:18 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/08/08 03:34 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Canadian   07/08/08 09:49 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) TONGKW   07/08/08 10:11 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/09/08 08:44 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) TONGKW   07/09/08 09:27 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/10/08 08:47 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Mr Onions   07/10/08 08:53 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/10/08 10:08 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Mr Onions   07/10/08 10:39 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Chris Schroeder   07/10/08 02:52 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/10/08 02:56 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) pcad   07/10/08 08:50 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Dirtyharry   07/12/08 03:05 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   07/14/08 02:27 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/14/08 08:39 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   07/16/08 06:16 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/17/08 08:45 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/17/08 08:52 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/17/08 08:53 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) rick rian   07/17/08 09:52 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/17/08 10:35 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Scott BeithAdministrator   07/17/08 11:30 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/17/08 12:01 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Jan Owen   07/20/08 04:59 PM
. * JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   07/25/08 09:10 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   08/08/08 09:18 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal katodog   08/08/08 10:02 AM
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. * Re: Antares!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   08/12/08 12:03 PM
. * Re: Antares!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal katodog   08/12/08 12:56 PM
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. * Re: Antares!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal katodog   08/16/08 09:40 AM
. * JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal rick rian   07/25/08 09:30 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   07/25/08 11:43 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal rick rian   07/25/08 02:00 PM
. * JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal NorthCoast   07/25/08 11:42 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   07/25/08 02:15 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Jan Owen   07/27/08 12:10 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   07/28/08 02:12 PM
. * Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   08/01/08 02:47 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag jrbarnett   08/05/08 01:12 AM
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. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag mega256   08/05/08 12:27 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag mega256   08/05/08 12:47 PM
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. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag scopedude   08/09/08 08:53 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/11/08 09:18 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag katodog   08/11/08 10:16 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/11/08 11:11 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag katodog   08/11/08 11:48 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/11/08 01:37 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag katodog   08/11/08 02:29 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag katodog   08/09/08 09:06 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag chboss   08/09/08 12:33 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/05/08 02:54 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Jan Owen   08/16/08 03:36 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/18/08 10:58 AM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Paul P   08/18/08 03:55 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/18/08 04:12 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Paul P   08/18/08 04:53 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Itz marcus   08/18/08 05:34 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/19/08 08:49 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/21/08 01:21 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag mega256   08/05/08 03:10 PM
. * Re: Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diag Clive Gibbons   08/05/08 03:28 PM
. * Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal dmd   08/02/08 06:04 PM
. * Tak Prism Diag...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal mega256   08/05/08 12:55 AM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal NorthCoast   07/26/08 08:45 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Clive Gibbons   07/26/08 09:00 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal NorthCoast   07/26/08 09:15 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal NorthCoast   07/26/08 09:17 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal NorthCoast   07/26/08 10:40 PM
. * Re: JUPITER!!!...Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal Nick-Sydney   07/26/08 01:22 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/20/08 08:33 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Henry Link   07/21/08 12:22 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/21/08 12:34 PM
. * Baader T-2 vs. Celestron Prism... Surprise. Clive Gibbons   07/22/08 08:59 AM
. * Re: Baader T-2 vs. Celestron Prism... Surprise. rick rian   07/22/08 10:19 AM
. * Re: Baader T-2 vs. Celestron Prism... Surprise. Clive Gibbons   07/22/08 10:49 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) ScottAz   07/19/08 09:47 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/19/08 03:23 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) VanJan   07/19/08 08:13 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/20/08 12:12 AM
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. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/20/08 08:28 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Mike Foreman   07/19/08 10:45 AM
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. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/16/08 08:53 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/16/08 09:06 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) ACCUSED   07/16/08 09:11 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) DBA52   07/16/08 09:19 AM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) roadi   07/15/08 05:24 AM
. * WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? NorthCoast   07/14/08 07:53 PM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? Clive Gibbons   07/15/08 08:31 AM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? NorthCoast   07/15/08 11:50 AM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? Clive Gibbons   07/15/08 01:08 PM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? rogerry   07/15/08 02:15 PM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? Clive Gibbons   07/16/08 09:52 AM
. * Re: WO Megrez 110 is now discontinued? NHRob   07/15/08 09:10 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Nick Lloyd   07/14/08 07:57 PM
. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) Clive Gibbons   07/08/08 09:13 AM
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. * Re: Megrez 110ED + Prism Diagonal = WOW!! (Again) ValeryD   07/06/08 05:29 PM
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