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As long as we are all having a great night out at the eyepiece then that's what counts and whatever gives us a kick makes every night one to remember.

So what is the 'maximum value from astronomy to be had' you are referring to?

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I don't buy the two dimensional argument that one mindset is less than any other in amateur astronomy as everyone has different aims and things they want to see.

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Like I've stated many times, I do understand that folks are oriented differently, I am simply giving my input on how *I* am oriented, my opinion on these topics, and that opinion partially holds that simply "nabbing" items on some checklist, sounds more like a sport than a science, and *I* think we have enough "sport" orientation in our society... *more* than enough, and that we really need to learn how to use the exploration of science as a way to truly deepen our "spiritual" understandings of ourselves and our Universe, to find a way of viewing such that could hopefully lead us into more productive views of each other as well.

Now, too, I'm also not trying to say "do away with checklists, they're no good"... I can see the value of a checklist in that it provides an organized way to learn one's way around the sky, but the list should merely be a small enhancement to one's curriculum, in my view, rather than an important focus... it seems to me that making it a "very important aspect" of a curriculum stands too much of a chance of psychologically orienting one into a more shallow, "sport" like mindset when that same time could be spent really teaching the depth of what can be had from astronomical exploration especially when tied in with other sciences for a fuller picture. For that matter, I think folks should be strongly encouraged to get both a telescope, *and* a microscope!

Anyways, again, I realize that I am presenting a view that says that another view is "lessor", but I do not mean it in a combative , "nasty" tone, just wish to share the feelings that I have when I think about the topic being discussed.

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