Just thought I'd also add that I agree with Treehopper (Tim) about Meade offering a better value. It comes as a complete and very competent package. But if you want a more rigid mount that can also be used with other scopes, or prefer Equatorial over Goto, then the Orion would be your choice. I too considered the Orion, but I wanted a scope that would be highly portable and able to point to objects quickly (to maximize my time at the park on those 2AM weeknights ), so I chose to get the Meade. I've owned it for a month now and have been very happy with it. It does surprisingly well on DSO for its size and also affords nice, wide views of the Milky Way and other star fields. It's become my primary scope. Craig