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By LB Myers


Until about 3 years ago I had not received a speeding ticket since 1986. But in the summer of 2017, I did get one. I was on the highway at the base of Mt. Hood, Oregon, on my way to Portland from central Oregon. I was in a hurry, not paying attention, daydreaming, and I was speeding. I was racing across a mountain range to buy an old Newtonian. I’ve always been a sucker for a good-looking Newtonian!

Back in the early-mid-eighties, I loved those S&T and Astronomy ads for the large Meade Research Grade and the Cave Astrolas. I just wasn’t sure where I could find a white lab coat and clipboard to use with the scope! (probably dating myself!) But I knew back then, if I ever could get my hands on one, my life would be complete.

So, the day before my speeding ticket, I saw a Craigslist ad for an old Cave Astrola 10” (1977). The price was right and although it needed some TLC, I thought I could work with it. There I was trying to cover some 250 miles in about 2-3 hours. The trip added a few hundred dollars to the cost of the scope!

When I finally arrived, I discovered that the images didn’t quite match the actual scope. Although I been around the block a few times I am still amazed at what something looks like in person verses images on an ad. This scope was in rough shape! I mean ROUGH! But I have seen worse (I think).

This scope had seen better days. The seller had it set up in his driveway when I arrived. The fiberglass tube was pretty well trashed. The Astrola mount was near frozen. Very rough movement. Although he had the original drive corrector, I didn’t dare even try to power the electronics.


But as rough as everything really was, the primary and secondary were in great shape. A bit dusty, but in remarkable condition. I asked about that but didn’t get a satisfactory answer. So, before I would commit to buying it, I asked permission to pull the mirror out and inspect it. Sure enough, it was a Cave. Serialized and dated. It matched the other information the seller gave me.

We worked out our deal and I secured everything except the optics in the bed of my pickup. I placed the optics in a well-padded container and actually seat belted them in. I made it back over the Cascade mountain range without another ticket. I arrived home before the typical rain of the Pacific Northwest began, with minutes to spare.

Within a day or so, I set it up in my shop just to stare at it and think it through. My first thoughts were “What the hell did I get into!” In time and after the buyer’s remorse faded, I began to make a plan. It wasn’t necessarily a good plan, but it was a plan. I would start on the mount first.

My goal was to disassemble the axis and then remove the bearings. Much easier said than done. As I recall, it wasn’t just a two-hour job. I probably spent a full day just trying to remove the RA shaft. It was badly rusted into place. Frozen solid! It required me to make some special tools (hex wrenches among others) to remove the set screws, lots of penetrating oil, and a big hammer. After a lot of choice language, I broke it loose and pulled the 1.5” shaft out.

The declination axis was even worse than the RA. Another day spent, busted knuckles, and even more colorful language. Finally, it too broke loose and I removed the shaft. Now for the bearings. I closely inspected the bearings. The declination bearings were linear needle bearings. They were missing many of the needles. They were dry and rusted. They had to go.  The RA bearings were shielded shoulder bearings. Although I couldn’t inspect their interior, they were much rougher than they should have been. So, they too had to go.

A number of days later, after more penetrating oil, torching, hammering, cussing, smashed fingers, and praying, the bearings finally yielded. Although pleased that I was able to remove the bearings, I soon wondered, “oh crap, where am I going to find replacements”. It was actually much easier than anticipated. Tom Cave used a standard bearing on both axes.  After 50 years, those bearings were still available. But not real cheap.

Work began on the RA, dec and saddle assemblies. I ended up realizing that hand sanding was for the birds. I wanted to take the castings down to the metal then refinish. I would still be sanding today had I not taken the castings over to my bead blasting (like sand blasting) cabinet. Twenty minutes later they were nice and clean down to the aluminum.

The fiberglass tube was next. What a beast! There were so many holes in it, I wondered if the previous owner(s) were trying to reduce the weight! I first needed to determine if any of the holes were useful. I marked the ones I wanted to keep and started plugging and fiber glassing those not needed. Also, near the mirror cell the was a large broken area of the OTA that took quite some time to reinforce and repair.

After fiberglassing, Bondo, priming, and filling, I probably spent 30-40 hours just hand sanding the tube. That included 4-5 hours of rough sanding the inside of the tube. I think I even spotted some undiscovered insect species that seem to have made themselves at home in the tube.



The inner tract ring of the rotating ring assembly attaches directly to the tube. As such, I need to attach the inner tract to the tube prior to painting. Otherwise it would have probably scratched the finished paint job.  After attaching the tract ring, I very carefully masked it around the rotating tracts. That was a big job as well. I was then off to a friend at a professional paint shop. He had done other OTA’s for me and I totally trusted his work. I choose a gloss white auto finish. When I received the finished tube, I needed to figure out the inner flat black. The inside was rough enough for a flat black paint job. So, the next step was to mask off all of the holes from the outside of the OTA and then carefully wrap the OTA in masking paper (that I got from my paint shop). I had ordered some very flat black spray paint that was available in a smaller rattle can. It was much easier to shoot with a small can. I believe I used about three of those cans to complete the inner flat black.  I was pleased with the end result.




The RA, dec and saddle castings were all fairly easy and straight forward. As were the entire tangent arm assembly. I even added little touches of brass where I could. I used an acid etching primer on the cleaned parts. I hung them to dry for about three days. I then used a sandable/filler primer over the first primer. After sanding down to 220 grit, I re-primed and re sanded. I repeated this process until I was satisfied. Before I applied the finish color coats, I went ahead and lightly heated the castings and pressed in the new bearings. As for the finish colors, I realize I didn’t copy the original paint exactly. That was ok with me😊

The drive system was yet another story. While all of the components seemed to be there, nothing worked. The gear train, clutch, motor all had to be removed for disassembly of the RA axis. While out and in pieces, I was able to go through each part and bring them back from the dead. The original drive corrector was a different story. It is electrical, not mechanical! Not my wheelhouse.

I figured what the heck, dive into them anyway.  I simply went through the drive corrector with a soldering iron, re doing any joints, connections, or wires that seemed corroded. I got lucky. I didn’t destroy it. It actually turned on and powered up. I was shocked! Having had luck in getting the electronics to work, I decided to even refurbish the drive corrector housing and hand paddles.


I retraced the wiring beneath the RA gear cover as best I could.  I mapped it out on paper and spent a few evenings figuring things out. I re wired everything under the cover. This Cave now operates on its original electronics. I have to say, I don’t care for needing two hand controllers. One for the RA and one for the dec. Oh well, that is how Tom Cave did it back then.



I probably spent another 5 hours on the actual RA and dec shafts. I mounted them in my lathe and removed a lot of corrosion. I had to be careful not to get too aggressive where the bearings would come in contact with the shafts. I wanted a solid, tight fit. Bearing slop would have defeated the entire purpose of the restoration. I took the pier and legs to my powder coater.  I was lucky: He was two doors away from my shop door. He bead blasted and finished them in white gloss. For the lower end, I always like white because it’s easier to see in the dark. At my age, I really don’t what to do a face plant at 2 in the morning!

All in all, the project took about a year and a half. There were times when I wondered if I would ever finish it. The optics turned out to be better than expected. Views of the planets and moon are just what you would expect from a classic Cave 10” F-6. When I have taken it to a dark sky location the deep space views were fabulous. It was a very worthwhile project.

So, did this make my life complete? Perhaps we can talk about that later 😊


  • PhilH, L. Regira, Mert and 35 others like this


May 09 2020 03:03 PM

Amazing. What fortitude to9 do this..

Wow! That is beautiful! You did a super job on it.

Nice work.  I believe Cave Optical Company went out of business in 1979.


Alabama Don
May 10 2020 01:26 PM

Very nice job! I love rebuilding old scopes!


A few years ago I refurbished my old Criterion RV-6. The mirror coatings looked nearly new. 

Lovely, very close to my 10" Cave restomod. 


Da Bear

    • Rick W Morgan likes this

Thanks all. !

May 11 2020 11:35 AM

I miss my 10" f/4 Newtonian but I don't miss trying to lug the monster out to use it.  If I had a dedicated space to store it where other things wouldn't be in the way and a level space to roll it out on, I'd still have it.

Very nice work, would be very satisfying to accomplish something like this.

This project makes no economic sense, whatsoever.

Which only adds to the beauty.

Performance art, unfolding over a year and a half.

    • comabereni and kjuhnke like this

Beautiful scope. Nicely written article.

Rick W Morgan
May 12 2020 08:23 PM

Love those old CAVE Astrolas. Mine is an 8" f/6 Model B Deluxe, ordered/shipped in 1976.  Sold my Edmund 6" Super Space Conqueror to a work buddy and upgraded.


I've had many compliments at star parties-- the views are outstanding!

    • mikeDnight likes this


Nice restoration.

Beautiful job! It makes me want to spruce up my 10” f5. It’s still a great performer but it could use a little tlc here and there.

Hi LB Myers,


A scope worth saving, you are to be commended, sir.

Beautiful job!


Best Regards,


Excellent work! I had a 10 f/7 that I restored back in 2003. I was the original owner (1974). However shortly thereafter I got the imaging bug really bad and in my determination to figure out a way to image with it I had a machined cradle made for it that would fit on a Paramount! It took superb galaxy images (which I still have) but since then I have moved on from it. Thanks for sharing this!




May 14 2020 02:29 PM

Great write-up & many thanks LB.


In the past year and a half I've added 7 Caves ranging from 6" to 12.5" and love 'em. Working on adding an 8th when COVID breaks.

May 15 2020 09:15 AM

That is so cool! Excellent work!

quality guy
May 15 2020 12:29 PM

great story and with a happy ending, thanks for posting this and the pictures are wonderful as well.

Mr. Myers A job very well done. Owned several caves. 6" f/4 was my first one bought back in

1972, 12.5 f/5 1979. and finally a  10" f/6. with excellent optics.  The first two sold many years ago.

Thanks all. The kind words are appreciated!

Excellent work and a great result. Makes me want to mess around with my dob even more!  

Stories like this always inspire me!

Great story and outstanding results. Thanks for sharing.

Wow! Nice job on the restoration. I am working on a Cave Astrola restoration also, but I am taking my sweet time. CN post here: https://www.cloudyni...a-dusty-corner/

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