Comparing Two Wide field Constellation Binoculars- Orion 2x54mm versus Kasai 2.3x40mm
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Comparing Two Wide field
Constellation Binoculars
Orion 2x54mm versus Kasai 2.3x40mm
I sat on the fence a few years before I decided to step off and gamble my money on these wide-field, low power Galilean binoculars. I've never been impressed with any sort of Galilean telescopes, field glasses or opera glasses and I suspected that they were just an expensive, trendy gimmick; but based on others' comments and experiences, I considered that these specialty items, with their wider than typical fields, might actually fill a niche in my astro-equipment arsenal.
In a nutshell, after trying them I found that yes, they do. I was truly surprised and impressed with how well a modern re-vamp of the Galilean system can perform.
Are they a replacement for my 7x35 wide fields, 8x42's or 12x50's?
Absolutely not! But they have their use and here's why:
I am a little bit near-sighted and have a small issue seeing at distance in low light conditions. In daylight my eyesight isn't bad enough to need correction according to the FAA medical examiner nor the driver license folks and I am perfectly happy with my uncorrected distance vision. But at night the stars are a little swollen and dimmer stars fade to invisibility. Therefore some amount of correction would be nice when looking at the night sky. I do not have nor want to deal with regular eyeglasses because the hassle/benefit ratio isn't worth it to me and I certainly won't deal with eyeglasses when using a telescope. But with their added magnification (though slight) these little binoculars tip the ratio in their favor. They provide that slight distance correction to sharpen up the stars with the added bonus of a magnitude boost which my aging eyes need. (My pupils don't dilate as much as they did when I was younger.) These little binocs allow me to see many more stars than my naked eyes (or eyeglasses) and many more satellites too! So that is the niche that these little Galilean field glasses fill, and they do it nicely.
The question remains, which of the three popular models is best for me? I chose to try two models which I considered to be the top end and the bottom end of the performance scale based simply upon the advertising literature. Here are the specifics of each:
WIDEBINO 2.3x40mm (28-degree advertised true field)
Kasai Trading Company, Tokyo, Japan. Cost: $155
This unit came in a very nice padded, nylon, zippered case. The eyepiece dust caps are fair. The objective dust caps fall off with a simple tap. I tossed them. I hate fumbling with binocular dust caps that aren't a single unit secured by the neck strap (like my Nikons have). The included nylon neck strap keeps the unit hanging with the objectives conveniently against the chest to keep them warm and dew free. The unit itself looks and feels to be of very good construction, with a solid dual center hinge. The individual focus eyepieces are smooth and easy to turn but it is also easy to accidentally defocus them. As they hang around the neck the eyepieces stick out pretty far and are the easiest parts of the unit to grab. Trying to grab them by the objective barrels usually results in bumping the eyepieces anyway, so I just hold them by the eyepieces. In daylight this isn't near the problem as when they are used on the night sky when focus is the most critical.
Eye placement is very critical for good focus. Setting the inter-pupillary distance accurately is a very necessary first step. Thankfully, the hinge is stiff enough to keep them where you set them. There is very little eye relief if you want to see the full field so I seriously doubt that anyone wearing eyeglasses could use these as effectively as those without. With my facial geometry, I need to sort of shove the rubber-covered eyepieces into my eye sockets to get a clear focus, therefore I was concerned about eyelash grease getting on the lenses, but the small eye lenses are recessed and fairly well protected by the eyepiece mechanical geometry. With extended use the eyelashes eventually win though. Cotton swabs and cleaner deal with that.
With my eyes under a moonlit sky and incomplete dark adaptation, they easily take in the entire hourglass of Hercules. They take in Bootes from the top of the ice cream (Nekkar) to the tip of the cone at Arcturus which is about 23 degrees. They can't quite make the stretch from Denebola to Regulus, but very close. They reveal many more stars than my eyes alone.
The literature mentions that the field of view increases with the diameter of the eyes' pupils. It is very easy to demonstrate this phenomenon by counting the visible slats of a nearby picket fence as day turns to dusk then turns to night. Considering that even in very dark conditions my almost 70-year-old pupils dilate to only 4.5mm, I'm very happy with the field of view rendered. By the way, the clear aperture of the eye lenses is about 8mm which will accommodate the advantage of younger eyes.
Orion 2x54mm Ultra-Wide Angle 36 Degree. China. Cost: $180
This unit also came in a very nice padded, nylon, zippered case. In fact it is identical in every way to the Kasai case. It seems extremely unlikely that they came from different factories. Even the included cleaning cloth is identical. The neck strap has more width at the neck than the one supplied with the Kasai and all four dust caps fit securely. This unit looks and feels to be of excellent quality construction. The inter-pupillary adjustment and the focus adjustments are much stiffer than the Kasai unit, but that is not a bad thing - at least in moderate temperatures. I did not put them in the freezer for a cold-weather lubricant test. Accidentally knocking them out of focus just doesn't happen.
These 54mm glasses are bulkier and heavier than the little 40mm Kasais, giving the hands a bit more to grasp. It is natural to grab the unit by the objective barrels. The eye lens aperture is a generous 18mm and I found that precise eye placement and inter-pupillary adjustment with this Orion unit isn't nearly as critical as with the Kasai unit. I don't have to scrunch the eyepieces into my eye sockets to see the majority of the field and I suspect that these may be much easier for the eyeglass wearer to take advantage of than the Kasai.
Interestingly, I can see the difference in magnification between the 2.3X Kasai and the 2X Orion. I didn't think 15% would be that noticeable. It is not significant but it is there and frankly, I prefer the slight extra power of the Kasai. The big difference between the units is the field of view which is very significant. The Orion trounces the Kasai in that regard. At dusk, the Orions are noticeably brighter too.
Even at dusk before complete dark adaptation, the Orion takes in Procyon and Castor (about 27 degrees) without breaking a sweat. The Kasai struggles to make it from Procyon to Pollux even after dark. In the dark, the Orions will not only reach from Denebola to Regulus but all the way to Subra. You get the whole Lion.
Another item I might mention: The Orions, with their wider view, at dusk can give an almost "fisheye lens" effect when panning up and down near the horizon. This may be an issue for those who tend to airsickness. However on the night sky with the absence of nearby terrestrial reference points there is no issue.
The Orion unit appears to have a little more attention paid to baffling, and the edge correction is vastly superior to the Kasai. Galilean telescopes certainly do not "snap" to focus, but the Orion unit comes closer to a snap than the Kasai unit, which is visually a bit mushier. In the dark, the Orions show stars to be pinpoints across most of the field. With the Kasais I find myself constantly fiddling with the Focus, trying to get any pinpoints at all - even at center.
I feel like if the Kasai unit were a telescope eyepiece, it would be a .965" from an old Asian import, whereas the Orion unit is more like a modern 1-1/4" or even a 2" eyepiece. Or perhaps the difference can be compared to the jump from a 60mm refractor to a 6" Newtonian.
Aesthetically, the Kasai has more of the "opera glass" feel to it, while the Orion has more of the "binocular" feel to it. The Kasai is the nicely upholstered, compact and maneuverable Volkswagen; the Orion has the raw power and positive response of the Highway Patrolman's Crown Victoria.
The Kasai is smaller, lighter, more ergonomic in some regards and frankly, more elegant than the Orion. The edges of the eyepieces are rubberized and the barrels have a tapered section that prevent them from pinching your nose even if set to a smaller inter-pupillary distance than mine which is fairly narrow - about 63mm. The Kasai's, I think, would work better for children whereas the Orions might not.
The Orions are claimed to accommodate an inter-pupillary distance of as little as 58mm, but that doesn't tell the whole story. Their eyepieces are shorter and the objective barrels are squared off and blocky at the point which, unfortunately, is right where the nose goes between them. When set to my 63mm distance they actually cause discomfort in use and prevent me from getting the eyepieces completely up to my eyes. In cold weather that cold metal is going to hurt! However, to spare the nose a bit of bruising and get the eyes a little closer it is possible to set the inter-pupillary distance just a bit wider than my 63mm because the generous 18mm eye lenses of the Orion product are very forgiving of this. In fact, they do pretty well for me when set to as much as 68 or 70mm. My nose certainly appreciates it!
It is very disappointing that the Orions are not tapered at that nose contact point like the Kasais are. It would certainly make them more enjoyable to use for those with narrow-set eyes and/or big nose bones. If you have both of those anatomical attributes, I recommend that you try them before you buy them!
So, which of these units do I like best?
Both! The Kasai unit is cute. Even though the Orion unit surpasses it in the clarity and field of view departments, the Kasai unit is lighter and smaller and fits comfortably about anywhere you want to put it, and it does a decent enough job on the night sky without pinching my nose. The 15% greater magnification is a plus. It was the first one I played with for a couple of weeks before the Orions showed up and it was my first love, convincing me that this kind of product is worth having around. But when compared to the Orion unit I think it will better serve as a sports glass, or perhaps a backup unit tucked into a corner of an eyepiece case. It works pretty well as a sort of terrestrial "night vision enhancer" around the yard too.
Which would I keep if I could only have one?
Sorry, Kasai. Performance trumps comfort under the night sky and the night sky is the whole point. Orion wins. I'll take the big block V8 over the whiney VW any day of the week, especially for only $25 more in cost. But your mileage may vary.
- NinePlanets
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54 Comments
Good article and comparison, Nine. My results have been somewhat similar with my 2x54 and 2.1x42 constellation binoculars
Good report based on personal use of the 2x54’s . They definitely fill a niche that I didn’t know needed filling before using them . Love the VW/CrownVic analogy. Find they are excellent for judging sky conditions before dragging out telescope and other bits and bobs .
Currently, the Orion binoculars are not available.
Richard, these binocs are available sold under other names than Orion. Orion was just one importer of this Chinese product. Look for them under Omegon or Sky Rover brands. It apears that they are also available under the Kasai Trading brand. I suspect the name of the real manufacturer will be revealed at some point...
Great report. I am also considering getting one of these units.
2x54mm is a 27mm diameter exit pupil. Seems like a lot of wasted photons? If your eyes only open to, say, 6mm, and you want a magnification of 2x then the objective aperture need only be 12mm diameter.
Wondering if you put that 12mm sized aperture mask on one half of the binos and then blink-tested them would you even notice a difference? My money is on no.
Same thing for the 2.3x by 40 pair, just different numbers.
Dave
These are Galilean telescopes, not Keplerian, so the exit pupil is virtual and inside the telescope. The objectives are large because they are required to be for a wide FOV Galilean design, it has nothing to do with exit pupil. This therefore also means the objectives of a wide FOV Galilean must be very fast, like F/2 or faster, and so that requires comparatively exotic lens element designs compared with more typical Keplerian telescopes/binoculars.
If you put a 12mm mask on as you suggest the result would be an obvious and severe restriction of the FOV. Again, very different from a Keplerian design.
had both for awhile
yes
the Orion is somewhat better
Great write-up! I bought these as a Christmas gift for my wife, opera glasses don’t ya know…they work great for that too….
I also have both, and prefer the larger model. Lovely for scanning the skies, especially looking at the structure of the Milky Way.
These are great for night time outreach.
Yes, the Orion 2x54 is great! The FOV is huge, and stars at the edge do look sharp. I keep it my car, in case I find myself on a country road at night.
I might add this note:
When looking out my bedroom window at night I prefer the little 2.3x40mm Kasai's over the bigger Orion unit, simply because the Orion's larger field tends to take in a streetlight down the road a bit, spoiling the view; whereas the Kasai's narrower field provides the wide field view without the street light.
But outside under the sky? Orion 2x54mm every time now.
I thought I might add that for me, comparing my 2x54 and 2.1x42 constellation binoculars, I said my results were "somewhat similar" because, well, for one, I’m not comparing my 2x54 to a 2.3x40. The 2.1x42 is a different binocular than a 2.3x40, so my results would inherently be somewhat different than NinePlanets’. But anyway, in comparing my own two, I’d particularly note that the smaller binocular vignettes somewhat, which isn’t ideal, and the 2x54 produces a brighter image, so those are some nice points in favor of the 2x54. Also, the 2x54 comes with a nice softcase and a neck strap, whereas the 2.1x42 has only a thin nylon pouch and a wrist strap; so, more points in favor of the 2x54.
Oh yeah, and the 2x54 can directly use 2" filters (though I haven’t really used this capability).However, I don’t know why, but I clearly consistently have a little difficulty achieving a comfortable focus for both eyes with the 2x54. It’s almost inevitably (for me) a fiddly process. And even after I’ve nailed it, there’s always eventually a feeling of some eye strain or headache/slight nausea for me with the 2x54 if I use it too long. Meanwhile, with the 2.1x42, focusing isn’t a particular issue and I don’t get that headache or eye strain feeling afterwards. Finally, with the wide view of the 2x54, I’ve often found a finger inadvertently getting into view. I can of course hold it so that a finger doesn’t intrude, but with the 2.1x42, I don’t have to think about it — the view is naturally "finger-free", lol. And the 2.1x42 is somewhat lighter and more compact.
Accordingly, if I had to keep only one, it might be the 2.1x42. Might. I’m still always drawn to the wider, brighter view of the 2x54. The vignetting with the 2.1x42 definitely isn’t ideal. So, I keep both
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Oops, it’s the 2.1x42 that can take regular 2" filters directly. I only tried it once or twice (didn’t see any improvement under marginal conditions), so I’d forgotten. SkyRover makes some special large diameter broaderband UHC-type filter for the 2x54 though
Great article NinePlanets!
I recently acquired the Kasai 2x54mm. I like them a lot as they do a great job as my lowest power, widest field of view instrument for observing. They are keepers for sure!
Are the Kasai 2x54's identical to the Orions other than the label?
From what I've read here on CN, I believe that they are identical to the Orion 2x54's. Since Orion has shut down I was after the Orion 2x54's initially but they are hard to find so I got the Kasai based on what I read here on CN.
No complaints about the Kasai 2x54's, they perform great, sharp and virtually no aberrations. I estimate the true field of view to be around 28°
Thank you for this review. I have had the Orion 2x binos since they were first introduced and I really love what they do. I have convinced several people to buy them, and one of them gave me the best description. "They are like reading glassed for the sky." Perfect way to describe what they do.
But, now that Orion is going away... I've been looking at alternatives since others would like the same set, and I haven't found anything with the same capabilities. As I understand it, Orion had a patent on how these were constructed. Is there a current patent holder on that now or is somebody else able to come along and make them?
Sky Rover is the house brand of the OEM and sells their version of the 2x54:
https://skyroveropti...lso-uhc-filters
Interesting way of dealing with what I presume to be night myopia as well as getting a very wide field immersive view of the night sky! (For various reasons these binos probably won't work for me, which is why I rely on my stargazing eyeglasses.) Thanks for this great review! - JR
Yep, I have the SkyRover version and they are delightful!
I was never able to make myself use mine, though they certainly seemed like they worked as designed. That said, I have a set of the Omegon 2.1x 42 available in the classifieds, if anyone here might be interested.
Clear Skies!
https://www.cloudyni...idefield-binos/
Almost 2 years in the Classifieds! Ad is too old for anyone to notice. You should delete the ad and re-list it.
Re-Listed in case anyone may be interested: https://www.cloudynights.com/classifieds/item/385647-omegon-21-x-42-widefield-binoculars/
I have the Orion unit and I agree with all the comments in the review. I hope they are still available in the post-Orion world.
I will add something, though. I didn't think they would be of value for non-astronomical use, but I was wrong! Last summer I brought them along on a cave art tour in Europe, and they were PERFECT for amplifying the brightness and details of the cave paintings. Any more power would have been a distinct disadvantage. I now bring them along when I visit art (or other) museums--I can stand five feet off and it feels like my nose is on the canvas, sharper than if I stand guard-alarmingly close to the picture.