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#1 Roel

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Posted 01 May 2007 - 12:35 PM

hello, everyone. I am new at this forum an I would like to start with a question;
I am about to buy a Polarex 60/900 refractor on an altazimuth mount with eyepieces, diagonal, wooden tripod and the original casing. What would be a reasonable price for such a telescope. The condition is excellent, but I don't want my nostalgic feelings make me pay too much....

One problem. The seller knows that these telescopes are rare and wanted...

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Posted 01 May 2007 - 05:32 PM

Depends on how much you want to dole out. It's collectable and very usable. You sure don't want to pay too high, but these scopes are known for demanding high prices. I'd love to buy it. I'd start with $300 and see if he laughs at you or not. It might sell much higher than that but I would start off around the $300 mark as I think it would be an excellent purchase if its in great shape.
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#3 BHunt

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Posted 01 May 2007 - 07:05 PM

Play stupid tell him 50.00 and see where it goes.
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 07:27 PM

They are selling for alot! $300 would be a great deal and $500 would be close to what it is worth if it is perfect! I would think it would be worth like 15% more if it was a Unitron. A 3" Eq. in great shape is worth $1500 to $2000 and it seems the 4" 152s are like $3500 to $4500 At least thats what they seem to be selling for as I look around A really nice 160 all unitron just sold for $9000 and we all seen the pier mounted 160 for $10000 plus $400 shipping. I think thses things are going to sky rocket in value over the next 10 years.

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Posted 01 May 2007 - 07:29 PM

Bill Hunt's advice is smart...My advice is more practical. Being that our advice is offered free of charge, pic your best options. LOL....Let us know what you decide. No kidding this is a classic.
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#6 JWW

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Posted 01 May 2007 - 08:58 PM

Roel,

YOU said the condition was excellent. Excellent has many meanings to different people. If you have personally inspected and touched the complete setup, then you know the actual physical condition. Some folks are very anal and expect perfection in a particular purchase and some are very optimistic about a scopes actual condition and its worth.

Has it been refurbished? Do you care? What year was it made, do you care? Was it dented and bondoed, sanded and painted? Do you care one way or another? If dented, does it have an effect on the scopes collimination now and in the future? Does it have colliminating ears on the cell? Do you care one way or another if it does? Any paper work or documentation included with the sale of the scope? There is nothing extraordinary about a 60mm Unitron’s light gathering abilities but I know you know that.

Oh, I am not trying to talk you out of the purchase, just raising a few questions that you might not have thought of, that others might ask you in the future if you decide to sell it yourself. BTW, I have several mint Unitrons including one just like you are interested in buying. I suggest that you not insult him by offering him $50.00. You did say he knows it is rare and that they are sought after. Surely he has done his homework. If it is indeed in excellent condition, offer him $300.00 and see what he says. That would be a steal.

Just my opinion,
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Posted 01 May 2007 - 11:10 PM

@JWW. Well, what can I say. I haven't seen for myself yet... Only some pictures. From my point of view (an amateur astronomer with expierence in buying telescopes, but NO expierence with classic scopes) it looks perfect. I will go and see this guy this weekend, so maybe this forum would be a great source to find out what to look for. I will of course be able to see if the scope is repainted or what the general condition of the optics is. So what else could be important?

#8 JWW

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 12:09 AM

Roel,

Just from experience ... I have purchased many classic scopes that were advertised as MINT, stored for 20 years and so forth. I have also purchased a few classis Unitrons hundreds of miles away from me via Craigslist and they indeed were pristine.

On another note, check this example out, although it isn't a telescope. I just purchased this Pentax 67 lens on eBay a few days ago from a Camera dealer ... advertised as:

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Excellent-Plus condition. Glass immaculate without marks or scratches, no fungus, no hase.

Check this out ...

and this one ...

I also have pictures of Unitrons that were advertised as in MINT condition, PRISTINE, then arrived with dents in them and not from shipping, focusers that showed corrosion under the paint from rust, a edge flaked objective ... the list goes on.

If you have the option to see it, that's the only way to be sure. There was a great deal on a 3" Unitron on eBay tonight and it was LOCAL to me. It sounded to good to be true. I spoke with the seller via email asking if I could inspect it since it was local. I even got his phone number and address ... buy the time I went back to eBay it sold. Even though I have two 3" Unitrons already, it was indeed a deal. Sometimes you snooze you loose, I lost.

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#9 Roel

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 03:42 AM

OMG! How could there be a connection between the text and the photographs? Good example, that's for sure...

300 dollars for a Polarex 60 mm in good condition? I'll might take this as a guideline for my bid. The man is not a specialist, he was talking about magnification.... Normally a bad sign, this time it might be great!

Thanks a lot!

Oh, I haven't even introduced myself... My name is Roel and I live in a town called Deventer, Holland. The telescopes I own at this moment are a 8" Dobson (for trips to dark sites) and a equatorial 6" Newton for quick looks from my backyard. Can't wait to check out this Polarex!

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 06:01 AM

By the way: how can I determine the age of the telescope?

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Posted 02 May 2007 - 09:20 AM

somtime in the early 70s unitrons lettering all went italic the other thing is the lens cells on some of the scopes grew ears. I am not sure about Polrex...

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 09:31 AM

Well, my thought that the owner knew what these scopes are worth, seemed to be a mistake... This is what happened:

Yesterday I went over to his house to take a look at the telescope. It turned out to be a real Polarex 60mm F900 on an altazimuth mount. The OTA was in a very good condition. No repainting, shiny tube without a scratch and a fantastic looking objective!
The mount also looked great. Very smooth and solid, but with a few tiny spots where the paint is off (only when you look very closely) Nice simple design and in my opinion more solid than a Vixen Porta!

The OTA came in its original casing with the following accessories: 4 eyepieces (SYM 8mm, K 12.5 mm, K 18 mm, R 25 mm), an erecting prism, diagonal and 2 eyepiece-filters (Sun and Moon). The case for the mount and the wooden tripod was missing.

I took BHunt's advice and offered him 30 Euro's (That's about 40 US Dollars) To my my surprise we had a deal!! :jump: Can you believe this? I mean: CAN YOU??? Look at the pictures and see for yourself if this is worth the money:

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 10:30 AM

Oh HO did you EVER get a deal!!! That telescope looks like it just came off the assembly line! Magnificent prize you have there Roel.
Congratulations sir!

#14 SamvdHeijden

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 10:47 AM

Well thats an incredible price for that scope! A real one in a lifetime bargain :D

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 12:10 PM

Oh go away!!!! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: Mike

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 04:38 PM

I told you Bill Hunt's advice was smart...So much for being practical. WOW what a deal! I'll buy it $60...hehehe
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#17 BHunt

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Posted 03 May 2007 - 05:38 PM

Like Dad said,
No use being stupid unless you show it!
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Posted 03 May 2007 - 09:36 PM

*censored* ... good call ... I'll give you 60 Euro's for it now! :grin:

-JWW: :bow:

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 03:39 AM

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 08:04 AM

A 10" Lightbridge would be nice. Or am I overexited...?

Yesterday First light: Saturn was great! I even got a glimpse of the Cassini division!! I didn't know that was even possible with a 2.4"! The mount and tripod are amazingly solid!

Another plus: on cloudy nights it's a nice piece of art in the livingroom. Even my girlfriend likes it!

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 04:53 PM

I once briefly owned a 60 mm Polarex which I got from Meade during its early days, circa, 1980. It was a great little scope, but limited by the small aperture. At the time, I didn't know there was a close connection between Unitron and Polarex. The focal length of my Polarex was shorter than the standard Uni 2.4" scopes. Another scope I shudda hung on to......oh, well...

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 05:55 PM

Very Nice!

DO NOT trust (or use!!) the eyepiece Sun filter that you mentioned.

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 10:03 PM

The 60mm has it's limitations, but tonight with my Lafayette, 60mm f/13 I was able to view Delta Gem. Easily split Castor at medium power and glimpsed the Cassini division of Saturn. I like the fact that this equitorial scope can be carried mount and all in one hand. There is something to be said about the convenience of these small scopes. Also I think Venus is a critical test for color. The humble 60mm proved itself to have APO performance tonight. Outside focus showed a green tint/inside focus showed purple. In focus showed a clean white view. Saturn was free of false color too.
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Posted 05 May 2007 - 11:36 AM

I would like to know the age of this telescope and the exact name. (weren't the 60/900 like mine called 114AZ or something?)

Tonight I'll take the scope to a dark site for a starparty. The owner of another Polarex 60/900 on a equotorial mount will be the too, so I can compare the optical quality with his scope.

Off course I would NEVER use a solar eyepiece-filter!

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 03:04 PM

The Age? who knows?. It was called the 114.
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