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#1 davela

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 07:26 PM

Just wonder if anyone saw this ad in the Recycler:

http://losangeles.cr.../348967111.html

This guy is looking for classic scopes for "kids". Sounds like an interesting program although a 4" Unitron might be a lot to handle for kids starting out.

#2 ngc2289

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 07:31 PM

Sounds like the Caveman is looking for more scopes! :jump: :)

#3 mikey cee

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 07:32 PM

I don't believe the kids will get the Unitron as a gift or left unattended near it! :grin: :grin: :roflmao: :roflmao: Mike

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 08:42 PM

I don't believe the kids will get the Unitron as a gift or left unattended near it! :grin: :grin: :roflmao: :roflmao: Mike


Well at least he isn't asking for another Nikon! :rofl2:

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 06:00 AM

I am up to 3 whole free scopes for 6 months of looking with this add! One broken down Crescent 4” reflector 1966 Towa (I am restoring it), One Crescent 10-T, 80mm Towa, One, Tasco 60mm alt az. No Unitrons yet not even an eyepiece The other 5 scope I have for the Kids I bought with my money so I am up to 9 scopes for the 62 kids in the astronomy program so far all old Japan glass. And I start work on the 45 year old observatory at the school this week!! It has to be done for the fall and has been a storage shed for 25 years. Well I am trying :jump: As far as the scopes I am into and the ones I restore for me folks always want me to buy them except the mentioned kogaku which I belive was a huge gift for the hundereds of hour I donate to this stuff. Think thats somthing! Next weekend I am setting up my equipment at a party at Jeff Goldblums house for three hours and getting paid $1300 And that just silly to me but heck it is so easy a caveman can do it... By the way donate a scope to the school and they will let you play with the dome controls for a hour next summer..... Clint :roflmao:

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 06:17 AM

My 1965 10" F8 Cave $683 won on E bay from Jim Giaggano in Riverside sat in a garage attice for 30 years before i draged it down And did this to it!!!!
4" early 70s and 60s 152 unitron. Completley shotout rust bucket purchased from Harald Haverkorn in the netherlands. $1400 Close to 150 hrs of intense restoration work. Had it set up today at mount Pinos 8500 feet without its guide scope or rings and was offered $4000 cash for the setup! They just dont givem away like these! :foreheadslap:

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 06:22 AM

First kid scope that was given out to one of Debbies student a Towa refractor 60mm parks from the craigs list add I paid $20 for it and drove 40 miles! :jump:

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 06:27 AM

So the the next time you wana pic on the caveman just read this out loud in front of a mirror before doing so..............

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 06:33 AM

Sorry sensor me not I just thought it funny when I saw it!!

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 08:00 PM

Clint,
Have you tried putting an ad on Freecycle ? It is a Yahoo group that you can post offers or wanted ads on. All items must be totally free. They have lots of groups all around the world and country. I have ads on a few of the local groups looking for astronomy gear and teaching tools to use for my Boy Scouts.

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Posted 17 June 2007 - 09:57 PM

>>>I am up to 3 whole free scopes for 6 months of looking with this add! One broken down Crescent 4” reflector 1966 Towa (I am restoring it), One Crescent 10-T, 80mm Towa, One, Tasco 60mm alt az. No Unitrons yet not even an eyepiece The other 5 scope I have for the Kids I bought with my money so I am up to 9 scopes for the 62 kids in the astronomy program so far all old Japan glass. And I start work on the 45 year old observatory at the school this week!! It has to be done for the fall and has been a storage shed for 25 years.
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Clint:

I have seen your ad a few times and been tempted to respond but so far I have restrained myself from pulling your leg with a concocted story...

"I recently found this while cleaing out my grandfather's garage and don't know what to do with it. Someone told me it is a telescope, if it is it must be old. I looked at it for a name plate and all I can find is "Clark and Sons" but no model number. Would you be interested?"

Back to reality...

I would like to know a bit more about your project with the children, what you are looking for, just telescopes or just small scopes or what, what school this might be etc. At times I find myself looking to make some space in my garage and I have resorted to rather extreme measures in the past,ie shipping a $100 13.1 inch Coulter across the country.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 12:16 AM

Jon this scope could it look anything like this :grin: LOL I have to make a truss system for this 1976 13.1 I restored so I can mount it on the Byers next Clint project I am designing :p

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 12:26 AM

Debbie is a middle school teacher at mulholland middle school in Van Nuys, 85% dead broke hispanic and like 65% future calif. convicted felons. Debbie and I are trying to lower the second number with her teaching and my meager astonomical knowlage by starting and running an astronomy club. And restoring the schools 45 year old obsevatory. I is hard to have club members with no scopes. I have been mostly buying and restoring 60 to 80mm towa and carton refractors for the kids to use and have in some cases,if the kid is really into it like I was!!!!

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 09:02 AM

>>>I is hard to have club members with no scopes. I have been mostly buying and restoring 60 to 80mm towa and carton refractors for the kids to use and have in some cases,if the kid is really into it like I was!!!!
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Interesting... I will keep you guys in mind, maybe others here too will think of you when the time comes to reduces the number of telescopes.

As far as your 13.1 inch Coulter goes, the one I had was original but otherwise had that same 85 lbs OTA. I considered a variety of projects for it but the reality was I already had a quite nice Discovery 12.5 inch F/4.06 so building a truss with the Coulter would duplicated something I already had...

I do think those old Blue Coulters are classics.

Jon

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 06:24 PM

Coulters are classics...even if the mirrors are crud.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 06:47 PM

Keith,

I'll reveal my ignorance here.

Are you being sarcastic/silly when you say Coulter mirrors are crud?

Or, are they really crud?

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 06:52 PM

The mirror in mine has a good figure 1979 pyrex the dob is crud and the mirror cell is very very very crud it bugs the heck out of me! It is like trying to culminate a hub cap on a moving cadilac

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 09:17 PM

Mike, keep an eye out on how many people have 'mirror refigured by Swayze' or somesuch when discussing their Coulters. I think John Siple recently sold a 10.1" (I think that's the right aperture) for $50. He was very specific that it was good only at (very) low power.

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Posted 18 June 2007 - 09:55 PM

I would agree they are not cave mirrors but at 4.5 there deep sky mirrors anyway. mine holds high power well I did have it recoated and maybe I got lucky and found a good one. At one time I know they were the scope to have.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 02:47 PM

I would agree they are not cave mirrors but at 4.5 there deep sky mirrors anyway. mine holds high power well I did have it recoated and maybe I got lucky and found a good one. At one time I know they were the scope to have.


My understanding is that many of the early Blue Tubers were quite good.

Jon

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:21 PM

I think there OK Jon Not a 32" Kennedy but for $400 in trade i did ok

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 04:32 PM

There's a lady in our club who is Master Observer #10, and did most of it with a stock 13.1 Coulter mirror from a red tube -- Herschel I and II, Arp, all that. She sent her mirror to John Hall (Pegasus) a few years ago to be tested and refigured. John's reply to her was something along the lines of he was very impressed that she was able to do what she did with *that* mirror...!

I looked through it before and after refiguring. Quite a difference! -- though there was more coma in it after the refigure than before (and she uses those 90-degree AFOV Zeiss eyepieces).

Not exactly a kid's scope. We're way off-topic here. :D

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 07:53 PM

That what I have been using the coulter OTA for if the kids are unruley i make them get in the tube and put gum on there nose!!! I remove the mirror first of course.

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 08:14 PM

You know once this mirror cools down and I put a 17mm Telvue type 4 in it Orion has more color than any other scope I have and you can split all the stars. I had L&L re coat it with enhanced coatings. Since then I had it out in the desert next to 12” mead Lightbridge and it blew away the light bridge. So I wouldn’t say it to bad just hard to culminate due to the rough three point system it has. Well here is a shot Of a ATM maker at the RTCM Expo and he was the guy that inspired me to purchase the 812 Byers and it was for the coulter mirror! I am in the process of building the same type OTA for the coulter in order to image some deep sky objects with it. So it will end up being a 2 arc second 13.1 light monster... I wish I could remember this guys name Very interesting and nice guy!:roflmao:

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 08:33 PM

hhmmmmm looks like an airplanes center fuselage.
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