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#1 rfic1

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 06:53 PM

I was fortunate enough to find/purchase a Goto 4" refractor which I believe to be a model 204 based on a ad I located in the December 1961 issue of Sky and Telescope. I have Sky and telescope issues from 1958 and this is the only ad I could find showing the model 204. Other Goto ads in the late 50's show a different mount. The scope is all original but is missing the Dec setting circle, finderscope and one of the slow motion controls. I did find a Goto finderscope but need a bracket. Any information about this scope or any leads on replacement parts would be much appreciated.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 06:54 PM

Close up of mount head.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 06:57 PM

Yow! Good catch! That is a beautiful scope and it appears to be in very good condition! I am offically jealous! :applause:

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:01 PM

ad from DEC 1961 issue of Sky&Tel

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:26 PM

E'gad(s) ...

Sweeeeeeeeet!

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:50 PM

Wow...That was alot of money back then, I doubt many were sold in the U.S. That mount looks very robust. Also liked seeing the edge of the "DE LUXE SKYSCOPE" ad. I think they sold for less than $50...Very marginal scope but they were marketed for many years.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:01 PM

I was going to refer you off to Robert Ficara who just acquired one of these. Then, I looked at your ID "rfic" and I assume this is you.

Glad to see you over here at our little classic forum. You will find everyone here very helpful.

I have a bunch of Goto parts, but mostly for 2 and 3" mounts. Let me know the size of the dec circle and the slow motion control and I will check my stuff.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:16 PM

Hi Steve,
Yes this is the scope I mentioned to you back in January when I made the purchase. Although I paid a premium the optics are superb and have not disappointed me at all.
I tried many times trying to reach Goto via e-mail to see if they had any of the parts I needed buried somewhere. I never received a response.
I appreciated your help. The Dec circle is 4" wide with a bore of 3/4" The slow motion cable needs to fit a 8mm shaft.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:30 PM

I am out of town for the next week, but will check when I get home.

As for contacting Goto...I think there is someone here who may offer you tremendous assistance :jump: (just wait)

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 10:18 PM

Do you mean...me? :whistle:

Wow...beautiful scope.

I have some catalog information from this era. I'll let you know what I find, but it'll be a few hours.

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 10:50 PM

Hi Robert,

Welcome to the CN Classics forum, or as we call it - Realm of the Broke Husbands Sleeping on Couches With A Garage Full of Scopes.

That scope is beautiful and the mount looks first rate.

Count me in as "officially jealous" as well. :)

Of course, we want more photos, more photos and more photos. ;)

Regards and clear skies,

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 11:06 PM

Yep.

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 12:41 AM

Beautiful telescope and mount that exudes quality. Great to see the photos. Thx

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 01:49 AM

Hi again Robert,

Here is an advertisement from July 1957 S&T...this mount appears nearly identical to yours, though from the opposite side shown in your pictures.

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 01:59 AM

Here is another...this one from May 1957. At the bottom of the above advertisement, it refers the potential purchaser to the advertisement on page 442 of S.E. Laslo (S.E. Laslo House of Imports, New York) who was the main US distributor for Goto. I presume they would then flip through the pages and find an ad similar to the one below. Note that back then, all of the pages of a full 12 months worth of S&T issues were numbered sequentially, so by the last few issues, pages were reaching numbers in the high hundreds, low one thousands.

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:04 AM

Just Contact this Guy he runs the north american Goto dojo He is a nice guy.
Ken Miller
GOTO USA Liaison
346 ILIMANO ST.
KAILUA, HI 96734
Toll Free from USA: 1-(888) 847-5800
International: 1-(808) 254-1898
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:04 AM

That was a lot of money for a scope in those days!

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:12 AM

No big secret He really reminds me of Pete from unitron Goto only makes scopes for schools they are COUDE and are a high tek Zeiss copy. These are only sold to third world contries and some schools. He may be able to put you in contact with the guys at Goto that are collectors. He did alott of foot work for me on a resent deal with Goto.

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:17 AM

By the way that is one nice telescope WOW!!!

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:27 AM

The above model is the #455 in the SE Laslo catalog from 1960, but portions of the mount are slightly different. I suspect that Wyle Laboratories may have started importing their own version in 1961, and that your's is in fact the Wyle Model #204. SE Laslo was the exclusive US dealer for many years, but I'm not sure when their contract expired. Either way, I'm sure the basic accessories are the same. If so, your finder should be a 7x22 with focus and crosshairs (the same as on my 2.4" Eros). Also, see this link as to what your sun diagonal (or sun prism) and sunglass were. Keep reading until the very, very end to find out all of the amusing answers...just when you think you have all of the answers... The thread starts out as Steve Miller's, but I quickly hijacked it when I was advertently handed off (sent off, actually, via the gorillas at Fed Ex, I believe :lol: ) the whole mystery package.

Sun Prism and Terrestrial Viewing System

Best regards and welcome to the Forum.

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:29 AM

He did alott of foot work for me on a resent deal with Goto.


And what would that be, hmmm??? You keeping secrets, er, um, scopes from us???

Keith

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 02:32 AM

I tried many times trying to reach Goto via e-mail to see if they had any of the parts I needed buried somewhere. I never received a response.


PM me and I might be able to suggest an English speaking contact at Goto, Japan.

Keith

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 05:22 PM

Keith,

I am away from home. How many of these were produced per the Goto Anniversary book? How many were shipped to the US?

Steve

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Posted 15 July 2007 - 07:42 PM

They have no records of quantity produced or units shipped to the US prior to 1969.

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Posted 24 July 2007 - 06:32 PM

I tried many times trying to reach Goto via e-mail to see if they had any of the parts I needed buried somewhere. I never received a response.


PM me and I might be able to suggest an English speaking contact at Goto, Japan.

Keith

Is it possible to find out when GOTO scopes were manufacturered by their model#, or does it not correlate that nicely? An english-speaking contact would be awesome - my japanese is atrocious, as well as my chinese, russian, arabic, german, danish, french, ....................etc


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