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How To Put a Meade 5000 on a Diet!

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#51 Jack Tripper

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 05:38 PM

A few advantages are:

1. Lower weight, obviously. This to help some at keeping Dobs from bowing over or binoviewers snapping off their holders :lol:

2. Easier eye placement at the eyelens due to little or no nose clearance issues from overly large diameter eyepiece top and side areas. This makes for a better and more impressive viewing experience!

3. The ability to binoview with especially nice model selections that would otherwise be too imposing for proper nose clearance and interpupillary spacing of the eyes to get at them.

4. Greater room in ones eyepiece case for MORE oculars! :cool:

A few disadvantages are:

1. Working to take apart ones expensive eyepiece(s). This doesn't need be as bad as it sounds. For one, the steps are simple in this case using one small jeweler's screwdriver.

2. Working around the yucky clear grease that is meant to help facilitate eyecup height adjustments. This is not that bad either if one goes slowly and keeps away from the eyelens. The cap can be left on the barrel end. If grease did get on the glass it can be carefully cleaned off again but it is more work than removing eyelash goo, etc.

3. Finding suitable replacement eyepiece lens caps for the top end of newly configured eyepieces. In this case there are some great ones available for use with revised Meade 5000 series 26mm Plossls (42mm dia.) and 24mm Super Wide Angles (48mm dia.). They are available from Gavin Warnes:

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Surely there are more caps around somewhere for purchase for other focal length Meade series 5000 eyepieces one would wish to revise. Another worthwhile approach of course is to "make" your own :)

Ok, here is where the helpful pictures come in... :yay:

Incredible! Thanks starpal!!! I think I will be doing this to my new Meade 28mm SWA, which should be here soon! Great pictures. :) (This thread was buried for 2 years, but the recent sale of the Meade SWA has got me searching again!)

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 05:54 PM

Be careful- the instructions are a little different for the UWA vs SWA. In the UWA- you remove the colored ring first. In the SWA, it comes off last.

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 06:44 PM

I did that to my 26mm 5000 Plossls.
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photo of stripped 26mm on BT80-45

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 07:23 PM

The Naked Eyepiece Truth. :shocked:

Dear Starpal, I am totally offended by your posts, is this 'eyepiece porn', or what? :rainbow:
Seriously, you have me LOL, what a great job! Fox!

#55 kroum

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Posted 26 February 2010 - 10:33 PM

Awesome thread! Has anyone done this to the 34mm swa? I would be very curious about how muh weight can be saves, and how much smaller it would be.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 10:29 AM

I must say I was not a fan of the Meade 5000 EPs based on their looks, but with the shroud gone they look very classy.

What was Meade thinking? They took a nice looking EP and dressed it up with that nonfunctional hideous overcoat. :p

Great thread.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 12:05 PM

Awesome thread! Has anyone done this to the 34mm swa? I would be very curious about how muh weight can be saves, and how much smaller it would be.


Well, I've not done it with the 34, but on the 24 SWA, the eyeguard is just less than 1/3 the total weight. the barrel diameter is 1mm more than the diameter of the exposed black part when you twist up the guard. 48mm in the case of the 24.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 12:57 PM

Wonder what Meade would think if people started to mail this stuff back to them. My guess is they would just melt it down and add it to their next series of great big fat eyepieces. Do the people that make this stuff even use it.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 01:24 PM

Wonder what Meade would think if people started to mail this stuff back to them. My guess is they would just melt it down and add it to their next series of great big fat eyepieces. Do the people that make this stuff even use it.

Dereck


Besides the extra bulk and diminished ergonomics, you would think the outer housing would also significantly increase the cost of producing the 5000 series.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 11:22 PM

Awesome thread! Has anyone done this to the 34mm swa? I would be very curious about how muh weight can be saves, and how much smaller it would be.


Hello everybody! glad to see this old thread of mine is still useful material (for the more adventurous, of course :)). It is also of great pleasure seeing the Meade 5000s getting more and more of some truly well deserved praise. Nice optics! Learned in another thread today about the unbelievable sale on 5000 SWAs so squeezed the trigger for the monster 40mm!! :yay: Saw one of them first time up close back in '08 in a Raleigh NC astro shop...WHAT A JUMBO piece that EP is!! When my new one arrives from Astronomics will be taking off the outer housing for streamlining. Planning to add details of the weight loss result here, when and if able.
Clear skies!
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 07:27 AM

Hello everybody! glad to see this old thread of mine is still useful material (for the more adventurous, of course :)). It is also of great pleasure seeing the Meade 5000s getting more and more of some truly well deserved praise. Nice optics! Learned in another thread today about the unbelievable sale on 5000 SWAs so squeezed the trigger for the monster 40mm!! :yay: Saw one of them first time up close back in '08 in a Raleigh NC astro shop...WHAT A JUMBO piece that EP is!! When my new one arrives from Astronomics will be taking off the outer housing for streamlining. Planning to add details of the weight loss result here, when and if able.
Clear skies!
-BTP (aka starpal, now in the midwest)

Great! I hope you post pictures yet again! The stripped down Meade SWA's remind me of the old University Optics MK series. A classy looking EP line. The Meade shrouds are pure ornamentation!

Thanks again starpal a.k.a. betweentheponds!

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 08:04 PM

yup, excitement in the air whenever a new EP is 2B on the way :) The final look of the 40mm will surely be interesting (still a mystery cloaked in armor).
Have thought a couple times "hey why not sell my (also reconfigured slim) 24mm UWA?" Then, after taking it out of the case...nahhh!!! Really sharp looking at and looking thru!

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 04:36 PM

Just got my 28mm SWA. It took 3 weeks to get here, but within half an hour of opening it, I went ahead and removed the shroud.

It's now shaped just liked a 27 Pan. Same proportions. (All it needs now is some green lettering! Posted Image) And it weighs only 13.1 oz (5 oz less than the 27 Pan). This has to be one of lightest eyepieces in its class. I would think that only the Siebert is significantly lighter, at 9 oz.

I did some quick daytime observing at a nearby building. The thing that really caught me eye was the amount of pincushion distortion. This was the first time I really noticed it in an EP (I haven't owned many). I'm hoping it is less noticeable when looking at the stars.

The next thing I noticed was how much more comfortable it is without the shroud. I'm one of these people who rolls down the eyecup all the way on all his EP's. I'm not sure if its the shape of my face, but I am getting a better view without the shroud.

At half the price and half the weight of my Baader Scopos, it's an incredible buy. I will be making the Scopos my outreach EP.

I for one buy EP's based on a number of factors, one of which is how it looks. I REALLY like the way it looks without the shroud. Simple and nicely proportioned.

Thanks again to betweentheponds (Starpal) for taking the risk and letting us reap the rewards.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 11:19 PM

...The next thing I noticed was how much more comfortable it is without the shroud.


yup, the 18mm UWA, and 24mm UWA were found particularly improved for use by me.

right now am experimenting with a 28mm UWAN. It is famous for needing a parrot eye approach (looking into it skewed) to reach eye position. Have slipped off the top mounted rubber ring and gained a quarter inch space toward the eyelens! Can now look STRAIGHT FORWARD into this model!!

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 12:56 AM

I'd love to see a photo of it!

I will post a photo of the slimmed down 34mm swa when it gets here, I think it is the only one of the big ones we haven't seen "exposed".

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 06:37 PM

I'd love to see a photo of it!

I will post a photo of the slimmed down 34mm swa when it gets here, I think it is the only one of the big ones we haven't seen "exposed".


LOOKING FORWARD TO THE 1st EVER DE-CLOAKED 34MM IMAGE! THANKS!!
BTW, the 28mm UWAN is actually shown "revised" in my other thread comparing side-to-side to the revised Meade 40.
will try to do a new post showing the change a bit better...

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 03:04 AM

What an interesting thread. I wonder why Meade thinks that it needs to put such a horrendous amount of superfluous material on its Series 5000 EPs, in the first place. :confused:

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 09:03 PM

I hesitated for a long time to take the rubber eyeguard off my 24 Meade 5Ks. I have a pair. Well I finally gave in and took them off. gained a lot of room. BUT, 2 uses later and I now have scratches on my brand new eye glasses. Let me tall ya, my eyeglasses are worth a lot more money than these eyepieces.

So my advice, IF YOU WEAR EYEGLASSES,
DO NOT USE THESE STRIPPED DOWN EYEPIECES WITHOUT ADDING SOME PROTECTION ON THE METAL BARRELS.

Get some of that stick on felt that you use on the bottom of glassware you place on good furniture. Cut a ring to fit the top of the eyepieces and your glasses won't get scratched.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 09:57 PM

thank you Ed for the great advice. Sorry to hear about your glasses!!

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 01:44 AM

Edz, you can always do this...see the pair on the left:

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 09:48 PM

You can put XLs on a diet but not XWs.

understanding pentax

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 12:15 AM

Any luck with the 40mm SWA? Very interested in possibly adding this eyepiece to my mix provided I can reduce the bulk significantly. Would love to see a slimmed down version of this eyepiece.

Thanks! Steve S

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:16 PM

I just de-cloaked the 24mm SWA, and realized that by doing so, I added 2mm of eye-relief! The plastic housing is exactly 2mm thick on the top, so with that gone, my eye has a little more room between it and the lens.

Now that I realize I can add 2mm eye-relief to any Meade SWA or UWA, I am thinking of adding more to my collection. All these sales are going to leave me happily broke!

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 05:20 PM

I feel your pain! The recent 'deals' to be found could prove to be quite costly for me in the end. :foreheadslap:

Still dying to see a slimmed down 40mm SWA. Does anyone have a picture they'd be willing to post? :shrug:

Thanks! Steve S.

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Posted 15 April 2010 - 06:35 PM

Not to hijack the thread, but is it possible to do this with the 30mm Explore Scientific UWA?


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