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Posted 11 November 2003 - 05:55 PM

Between the Orion 120ST EQ Refractor and the Orion 80mm ED Apochromatic Refractor? Quality...Viewing...Other. When they say 120mm and 80mm what does that mean exactly. Also could you give me a rundown on the f/?, how do I make sence of this?

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 06:23 PM

Those figures represent the aperture of the objective lens in millimeters.

The 120mm will gather much more light than the 80mm. 67% more light.

The f/ratio is the ratio between the objective diameter and the length of the light path through the tube. The ratio or f/ is found by dividing the focal length of the telescope by the aperture diameter of the objective.

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 06:35 PM

Think of the f/ratio as a cone of light from the objective to the eyepiece. A fast scope has a short cone, a slow scope has a long cone.

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 06:43 PM

Actually, the amount of light collected is proportional to the square of the aperture (diameter) of the objective (main lens). So the ratio is (120 * 120) / (80 * 80), or 2.25

From what I've read in the way of customer reviews (mostly here at CloudyNights), there's a lot more to compare these 2 scopes than just aperture. If I were you, I'd poke around here in CN's Refractor's Forum and Product Reviews. Other folks are much more qualified than I to compare the 2.

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 07:05 PM

I stand corrected. I should have said the lens in the 120mm is 67% physically larger than the 80mm.

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 07:21 PM

This is my take on the general differences: :question: The 120ST is an achromatic refractor. This means its objective lens has more chromatic aberration than the ED glass has. The larger aperture of the 120mm will allow you to see dimmer objects through the scope than the 80mm lens will. However the view will have more false color (especially at medium to high magnifications) than an “ED” refractor produces. To further complicate the comparison, in achromatic refractors (like the 120ST) the faster the focal “f” ratios (lower f ratings), the more false color the scope will produce. The Orion 120mm f8.3 refractor will capture the same amount of light as the 120ST, but produce less false color. The 80ED lens arrangement allows much higher magnifications without false color, but will not capture dim objects as well. So why would anyone choose to own “fast” achromatic scopes then? They provide more spacious wide fields of view, which are excellent for observing larger objects at low to medium magnifications (large star clusters, big swaths of the Milky Way, etc.) Also they are also popular for astrophotography I am told (though I am not well-versed in astrophotography). The slower achromatic refractors are better suited for planetary observations. Those with medium focal ratios are a compromise between the two and are described as more “general purpose” scopes (like the 120mm f8.3). They allow higher magnifications with less false color than “fast” a chromatics. But they are not nearly as color-free as the “ED” lens is. Lastly, larger (heavier) scopes require sturdier (more expensive) mounts and tripods. It really comes down to what types of objects you like to view. If you can, try to attend a “star party” so you can actually look through different types of scopes. This will give you a much better feel for their different performance parameters. Hope that helps explain it a bit. Others may have different thoughts...(Scott) :tonofbricks:

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Posted 12 November 2003 - 01:16 AM

Buddha wrote:

"Between the Orion 120ST EQ Refractor and the Orion 80mm ED Apochromatic Refractor? Quality...Viewing...Other. When they say 120mm and 80mm what does that mean exactly. Also could you give me a rundown on the f/?, how do I make sence of this?"


This is a great topic for dicussion! All the information here is excellent and very important. All things being equal, the aperture theoretically wins the game. I was talking to a member of the local astronomy club here who owns a gorgeous 14" SCT about the very sharp views through my humble 120mm refractor. He told me a smaller aperture won't pick up the amount of atmospheric turbulence a larger telescope will. Thanks to the useful advice from my friends, my scope is now perfectly collimated. *thank you for that* Aperture, while of significant importance, is only one major factor to look at when purchasing a new scope. For me, I finished most of the H-400's, all the Messier's, and the RASC Finest NGC's with my 10" reflector. I decided to go with a refractor because I love planetary work and recording what I see at the eyepiece especially. My site is quite light polluted. In my case, the refractor is a real performer and allows me to fulfil my observing objectives- where I am located. When I can afford it in the future, I'm thinking big aperture again (more deep sky objects), and longer focal ratios (planets, etc).

Those are my thoughts. Btw, I'm so glad about the collimation advice!


Michael


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