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#1 Simon S

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 01:31 PM

Ok not sure what reception I am going to get but here goes.
I have just found a pair of Subal Clover 10x50 binoculars. Classic 70's blue coatings and wide field of view. Sharp in the centre and great colour fidelity. It surprises me that some of the famous Japanesemanufacturers have made some very poor binoculars around this era but some obscure names turn out some great instruments.

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#2 potts34

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 03:03 PM

Nothing to add as yet but well done Simon for restarting this thread and well done to Glassthrower for starting it in the first place...I was lost for days not being able to get my Vintage 'fix'.
To any body new dig into the forum archive if vintage bins are your thing there is a wealth of information on there which no doubt will soon be added to on this thread.

Not a new pic but a repost cos we like pics on here, hopefully new ones to follow soon.

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#3 Solar B

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 03:16 PM

Any thoughts on a pair of Zeiss 8 x 32B mc,was using them
on the Moon tonight,quite nice.Sorry no Pics

Brian
 

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 07:36 PM

What happened?

Simon, how about put a link to the original archived thread in the OP? Is it archived?
 

#5 Glassthrower

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 08:53 PM

Hi Folks!

Here is a link to the previous thread -

Vintage Binocular Discussion Thread - Part One


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Best regards and clear skies,

MikeG

 

#6 potts34

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 03:39 AM

Whats the JB number on the Subal Clovers Simon?
 

#7 Simon S

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 05:17 AM

Jb142 and Je10 Potts
 

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 06:36 AM

One to look out for then, it's funny that with some Japanese 'brands' that one of their items is good and another not quite so , case in point my Omiya 8x 30's (JB32) are much better optically than their 10x 50 (JB257) period counterpart though build quality is identical and good.
Obviously (or not) their JB numbers are different.
I really rate my Limer 7X 50's these have no JB number on them just OTC in a lozenge shape on the bottom axle end, optically these are IMHO up to Zeiss standard.
 

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 04:18 PM

Ok not sure what reception I am going to get but here goes.
I have just found a pair of Subal Clover 10x50 binoculars. Classic 70's blue coatings and wide field of view. Sharp in the centre and great colour fidelity. It surprises me that some of the famous Japanese manufacturers have made some very poor binoculars around this era but some obscure names turn out some great instruments.

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Those appear to be the highly recommended WF 10x50 yashica's. I did that without seeing the J code reply first! I'm getting good fast...

I just checked my 7x50 yashicas. Same codes.

Sos I dashes me off to the auction site, all horny for a set of those eyepieces..and there they be. Oh. Not the same eyepieces. The ones on fleabay are the Manon/Mason/Tasco/Yashica/Lisenfeld/AsahiPentax/etc ones. Nice as they may be, I'm 'a gunnin' for those eyepieces.
 

#10 Simon S

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 12:25 PM

Yes that makes sense. The 8x30 Yashicas are the best Japanese 8x30's I own and the 10x50's are great too.
Well spotted KBK, your ahead of me............
 

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 12:52 PM

A nice pair of Goerz Neo-Trieder 8X dated 1911 according to seller. Very well made binocular and good optically although soft at the edges.

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 01:06 PM

Great purchase!

Where did you buy?
few days ago I was following an auction of a very similar but these days I spend too much money and I stopped.

In 1911 it cost 168 Kr

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#13 Simon S

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 01:19 PM

Ebay purchace Bensi!
 

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 12:51 AM

How are the conditions of binoculars?
It is collimated and clean?
If you want the highest quality, You'll have to disassemble a prism at a time, and wash it with water and liquid soap for dishes, putting it back into place and coincide with the screws that push the pads of aluminum that are in contact with the prism.
Just had a sighting of a prism, passes to another, until the end.

This is my advice ....

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 01:19 AM

Doh! missed the finish of that one due to being away at a conference!!
drat and double drat!
well done Simon...again!
 

#16 Simon S

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:29 AM

Well potts they went to the next best home :-)
 

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 11:15 AM

Well yes I suppose so!
you're quite right though the build quality on Goerz is extremely good.
 

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 12:31 PM

Bensi I had to clean the prisms and internal glass. Love the prism mounting system, easy to collimate.
 

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 01:27 PM

An unusual addition to the Swift collection, an early model tied with the company Toko and made in the 1950's. I have a similar model to this , but the Swift name was worth buying alone

Swift/Toko
 

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:27 PM

You're a great expert of binoculars and I have very little to explain, but ...
The Neo-Trieder was born to civilian use, so it is extremely handy and lightweight, but sturdy enough.
Instead, if you pick the model Helinox, born for the military, you'll see a very similar to binoculars and Zeiss Silvamar and Silvarem, both in size and also in weight (6x30 750g). In fact both the brass and both prisms were increased in size and weight.
Instead, if you pick the model Helinox, born for the military, you'll see a very similar to binoculars and Zeiss Silvama Silvarem, both in size and also in weight (6x30 750g). In fact both the brass and both prisms were increased in size and weight.

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:31 PM

Bensi I had to clean the prisms and internal glass. Love the prism mounting system, easy to collimate.

Yes !! Easy and practical system of prism mounting.
Bye

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 03:29 AM

I got a telescope built by the English but 1WW Baush & Lomb of Rochester - USA.
I paid very little but is reduced very badly and now is completely dismantled.

There were water leaks that had soiled limestone two prisms.

Now I have washed and removed the limestone and the eyepieces disassembled and cleaned.

I discovered a different system of collimation, screws hidden in the handle but that push or block the prism in different positions and from what we know today in the latest binoculars.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 03:35 AM

one photo of frontal lens

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:46 AM

Ciao Bensi, erano questi un affare di Ebay? I manufatti della trincea WW1 hanno elencato recentemente?

Hi Bensi,
were these an Ebay buy? WW1 trench artefacts listed recently?
 

#25 Bensi

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 03:56 AM

Yes this B&L , I have buy on Ebay.

I don't understand the second question ...
Sorry ...I don't speaking well english.

Bye
 


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