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Orange C-8 #135 due today!

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#51 tim53

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 05:19 PM

Sounds like it's from the nineties or even the tendies!

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 05:50 PM

Tim,
I'm looking at a CL ad for a Celestron G8 scope
Chero

I saw that add. That is a C-8 mounted on a GEM mount hence the G-8 name.
For any further questions about it, you should probably start a new thread.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 05:52 PM

Tim,
The velvet rubberized paint might be an old Zolatone product or made some type of marine boat produce. I've seen a couple of these real early C-8's back 30 years ago before the paint went bad and like I said the material had a rubbery feel with velvet like texture. The same thing with the forks. It looks like it is two part system. The under coat is green color material. I'll see if I can find an old ad that might say something about the paint.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 05:59 PM

Tim,

Here's the thread that has a post about the Celestron Orange paint: http://www.cloudynig...ll/fpart/2/vc/1

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 06:17 PM

Dan:

I bookmarked that thread, but I'm hoping to come a little closer to dupulizing the original paints if I can figure out how.

Dave: I think I remember Zolatone. Not sure where from, though.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 06:36 PM

Ah! Lew says that the Feckers and Treckers were painted with Zolatone.

They still make that stuff. but it doesn't look like the Celestron paint.

-Tim.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 07:45 PM

Hi Tim,
In the Feb 71' Sky and Tel ad for Celestron it states "The striking velvetone orange and brown finish will capture the front position in your trophy case"
I bet it is some type of powder coat finish.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:12 PM

Tim:
You may wish to speak with Hector Hansake at Celestron in Torrance. He and Celestron's technical people have been most helpful to me with my old orange tube Celestron C8. I am sure that he will be able to match that paint right up for you. Contrary to the complaints that people make about Celestron, I find their service to be first rate.
I do hope that you can make it to Mt. Pinos in August -- someone should be there to "rain" on Clint's parade when he "unveils" that marvelous AP Nine Inch Refractor.
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Posted 10 March 2010 - 08:13 PM

Didn't find much on paint in Robert's book Tim.

The blue/white paint is covered in great detail but the orange not much. The orange used on the first few years would stain green if you touched it, they could not figure out why, whether it was the paint and 3M said it was the alloy of aluminum.
It was a product from 3M called "Velvet Suede" did not give any color codes.

After the Velvet Suede feasco they settled on the following:

Pantone brown 425C
Pantone orange 021C

Did not state manufacturer.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 06:24 PM

Hm...

I emailed Celestron about the colors. Hopefully I'll have an answer soon.

I also searched the internet for "velvet suede paint" and searched 3m as well. No joy.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 06:56 PM

Good lord! I really didn't have high hopes for a definitive answer on the colors, but I wasn't expecting to hear that the table-top support wasn't original!

Unfortunately we do not have the information you need. However, by looking at the photo we can see that it is the "Standard" Celestron orange. You can easily go to a paint store and with a small sample or part of the scope that has not faded, they can match the paint. What is interesting is the table top mount or legs. They do not seem to be original.

Thank you

Celestron Technical Services


-Tim.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 07:43 PM

Tim,
There are a couple of ads in the old Sky and Tel that show your table top legs, don't worry they are original. Your running into the same problem I did 10 years ago when I tried to get information about my C-8 that is of the same age and has a serial number like your that is close to #100. The problem is that there is no one left at Celestron from the very early days that has any knowlegde of these very first units.
By the way did the Jones plug I gave you fit the drive base ?

- Dave

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 07:48 PM

Did you guys see the apparently brand new old classic orange C-8 on Ebay. It looks like it was bought in the late 70s and never used or taken out of its packaging. Even the trunk looks new. Wow it is a beauty.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 09:00 PM

Dave:

yes, the plug fits! But the pin, or rivet that sticks out on the side keeps it from going in all the way. It also falls out easily. Can the pin be cut off? Or hammered in?

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 09:05 PM

Did you guys see the apparently brand new old classic orange C-8 on Ebay. It looks like it was bought in the late 70s and never used or taken out of its packaging. Even the trunk looks new. Wow it is a beauty.


Yes! Truly an amazing find. I'm staying away because I've got too many things to finish!

-Tim

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 10:04 PM

Dave:

yes, the plug fits! But the pin, or rivet that sticks out on the side keeps it from going in all the way. It also falls out easily. Can the pin be cut off? Or hammered in?

-Tim.


Tim,
The pin on the Jones plug is only partial twisted into place because it can be difficult to take out once it's is fully seated. It almost a one shot deal once you get all the way in and you'll need to take out to get the cover off to wire the power cord into the plug. You need to rotate the pin to get it out or fully seat it because the end of the pin has coarse "twist" type threads that bite into the plastic body of the plug.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 11:10 PM

Ah, that makes sense!

Okay, I'll scare up a cord for it.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 05:05 PM

Tim,
I'm pretty sure I found the paint that was used on the yours and my clubs very old C-8. 3M sold the rights to the Suede finish paint and the paint is now called Nextel. Here is a link http://www.eldeco.be/Nextel.htm
They sell what looks like the same orange and tan that were used on our 'scopes. Now to find someone who sells the stuff in the USA and that we don't have to buy 5 gals of it.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 05:36 PM

Dave:

WOW! Thanks for finding that before I strip all the paint off mine and use something "close, but cigarless". I may still work on the scope this weekend a bit, as I'll have some time, but I'll concentrate on cleaning up dried grease/relubing and collimation so I can try it out!

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 05:46 PM

Had to click a lot of links, and am still reading, but found these two US suppliers:


Mankiewicz Gebr. & CO. (GmbH & Co. KG)
Georg-Wilhelm-Stra├če 189
D-21107 Hamburg

Tel.: + 49 (0) 40 75 10 30
Fax: + 49 (0) 40 75 10 33 76
E-Mail: info@mankiewicz.de
Mankiewicz Mexico y Compania
S.en Comandita por A. de. C.V.
Jazmines No. 2506 Col. Santa Cruz Buenavista
CP. 72190 Puebla, Pue., Mexico

Tel. +52 - 22 22 84 53 21
Fax +52 - 22 22 31 56 27
E-Mail: mmex@prodigy.net.mx
Mankiewicz France S.C.S.
16, rue de Solferino
F - 92100 Boulogne

Tel.: (+33) 01.55.20.09.10
Fax: (+33) 01.55 20.09.11
Mankiewicz UK GmbH & Co. KG
Unit 26 Ashville Way
Whetstone
Leicester LE 8 6NU

Tel. +44 - 11 62 84 77 80
Fax. +44 - 11 62 86 72 59
E-Mail: customerservices@mankiewicz-uk.com
E-Mail: mmex@prodigy.net.mx
Mankiewicz Coatings LLC
831 South 21st Street
St. Louis, MO 63103
USA
Tel. +1.314.783.2110
Fax +1.314.783.2115

E-Mail: sales@mankiewicz.us

Mankiewicz Coatings LLC
8 Carlisle Drive
Simpsonville, South Carolina 29681
USA
Tel. +1.864.962.6690
Fax +1.864.962.6740

E-Mail: sales@mankiewicz.us

-Tim.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 07:11 PM

http://gatewaycoatin.../story.asp?ID=3 says that the minimum quantity they sell is a gallon.

Maybe I could round up all the sand-cast orange tube C-5's, 8's and 14's and paint them all at one time? :grin:

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 07:24 PM

This is interesting...

A test from 1983 at Fermilab of reflectivity of various black paints. Nextel Suede is blacker than Krylon ultra flat black!

Guess I'll need a gallon of that, too! :grin:

-Tim.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 07:29 PM

It's expensive! A guy who used it to paint the glareshield in his homebuilt airplane says on his website "For a gallon of the Nextel Suede, plus a gallon of primer, plus reducers, accelerators, and shipping, our order topped out at $300."

-Tim.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 11:53 PM

Wow, if you find it lower, I have a C-8 tube I would love to get coated with the original paint style, but the price mentioned is way too high.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:09 AM

I'm finding all kinds of links stating that Nextel Suede is used in airplane cockpits and on car dashboards. But still no retail sources popping up. I'll keep looking.

And now that I think about it, I used to have a Toyota Previa (Jelly bean van) that had a big wide dashboard that I thought would have a problem with glare because the windshield was so big and sloping over it. The dash was dark brown, and had a suede feel to it, so it probably was this kind of finish.

If it's used so much, one would think it ought to be available for refinishing somewhere!

-Tim.


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