Ready to purchase - Orion 20x80 or 25x100?
Posted 26 April 2005 - 02:39 AM
That is correct. Made in China. When ORION sells the "SAME" type of bino for approx. 2X the price, rest assured it has been made in Japan.
I do have the Oberwerk 25x100mm made in China, and it's a beauty. The original 25x100mm from ORION was a disaster--about 2.5* off collimation. Couldn't believe what I was seeing or not--and it was a Christmas gift, no less! ORION stated that they would inspect collimation before shipping the unit. Unless something went terribly wrong in transit, and I surely doubt that, I don't know! I still support ORION, however. I have an ORION grab-an-go 10x50mm built in China. Satisfactory, but obviously not superlative.
I have several older JASON 7x35mm and 7x50mm binos and a BINOLUX UWA 7x50mm, all made in Japan; I really am impressed with the UWA FOV and use them frequently. I believe that they were the best of their day.
I have the original CELESTRON 20x80mm (long and heavy) bino, and I use these for solar viewing only.
I also have the Miyauchi 9.3* FOV 7x50mm which I purched from Kevin at Oberwerk. These are really a wonderful instrument, replacing my FUJINON FMT-SX 7x50mm bino that I intend to e-Bay soon.
You can't beat Japanese optics, for the most part. Sometimes, one can obtain a refined instrument manufactured in China, e.g., the Oberwerks. Thanks Kevin.
Posted 26 April 2005 - 11:30 AM
Any chance of starting a 'Made In" list...country of origins....a list of sorts would be very helful....at least it would put bino prices in perspective....
I would rather pay more than I planned...then less than I should...
Has always worked for me.....
Posted 26 April 2005 - 12:00 PM
Any chance of starting a 'Made In" list...country of origins....a list of sorts would be very helful....
I'd be glad to create a "best of" link to a post that anyone would like to create.
Posted 26 April 2005 - 01:16 PM
These seem to be apractical bino for a newbie.....
Are there any additional comments about the Oberwerk Deluxe II binos?
Posted 26 April 2005 - 02:01 PM
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Posted 26 April 2005 - 04:05 PM
Thanks to everyone and Prof Ed
Posted 27 April 2005 - 08:48 AM
Eye Relief of the DL2 is listed as 18mm. ER of the 80mm LW is listed 13mm but I am able to see the full FOV in the LW with my glasses on. At 3.6 lbs the 80 mm LW can be mounted on just about any tripod. I really enjoy packing it for terrestrial use as well. Dual 80mm spotting scopes bring objects up close and personal.....
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Posted 02 May 2005 - 11:57 AM
Center focus vs IF.....I wear glasses
Oberwerk 20x80 Deluxe II = center focus....
Orion 20x80 Explorer = IF
This also leads to another question....are there any important pros/cons between these two bino models?
Posted 02 May 2005 - 02:56 PM
I have never done a side-by-side comparison between these two bins...and I don't see a review for the Orion bins in the min-review section either...oddly. You want to go to excelsis.com to search for user comments.
Posted 03 May 2005 - 05:46 PM
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 08:08 AM
Individual focus offers several advantages first being the focus is not changed if you bump into the eyepieces and second it allows for a more precise focus especially if you are like myself with a slight diffrence in the vision of each eye, and conseqently the focus point for each eye. the same holds true for binoviewers. I could be wrong but that pprecission focus allows for proper merging of the individual images and resoloution of detail. Alot of great infor on binoviewers is available on todd gross' site and carries over to binocular applications as well.
My conclusion...."IF" is more suitable for astro viewing....seems this is one feature found on the more expensive binos.....
On good center focus binocular with a solid bridge, the focus is not changed no matter how hard you bump the eyepieces. No advantage to IF.
On any binocular, a slight difference in eyes is accomodated by the right and left diopter or the adjustment between center and right diopter. No advantage to IF.
Precision focus has nothing to do with proper merging. Merging of detail is a function of precision alignment. No advantage to IF.
Nikon Superior E 12x50 have center focus, a much higher quality binocular than anything being discussed in this thread. No advantage to IF.
One advantage of IF is it becomes easier for the manufacturer to seal waterproof binoculars.
Posted 04 May 2005 - 08:17 AM
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Posted 04 May 2005 - 12:29 PM
more than likely production cost would dictate center focus as the prefered equipment
How did you reach that conclusion! I couldn't begin to guess what the production costs of the two types would be. Do you have some way of knowing?
Posted 04 May 2005 - 12:40 PM