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Posted 14 December 2003 - 06:58 PM

Hi

New member, here in the UK. I'd like to hear any oppinions you all may have on two scopes I'm considering, the Steallarview Nighthawk (80mm) and the Orion AtroView 120. Obviously a big difference in appature but similar price. Currently have a Meade ETX 90 (which is not very nice to use).

If anyone has compared the two or similar, I love to know what they thought.

Only thing is I don't know if Orion will ship to the UK - StellarView will. Scopes in the UK are extortionate...

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Simon

#2 Blair

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 07:23 PM

Stellarvue have a much higher quality objective than the Chinese made Orion scopes. Still, the 120mm will out perform the 80mm, noticeably, on deep sky objects. The 80mm will be more portable, of course, and easier to use on a light weight mount should you need to travel to a dark sight. Many like the 80mm f/6 but I ended up prefering the 80/9D (750mm focal length) as it performs better at higher powers and the new ones have the retractable dew shield (mine does not). Hope this helps.

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#3 Tom T

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Posted 14 December 2003 - 08:00 PM

You may wish to consider the Orion 80ED. (Available from synta dealers as well.) There are several reviews of the scope on this site, and tons of information on it in this and other forums. It makes a wonderful portable or grab and go scope, and is a true apo, and holds up well to scopes several times it's modest cost.

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Posted 15 December 2003 - 02:14 AM

Simon d;

Welcome to the Group. Grab a cup of java or tea and hang around for a while. It's a good group of folks.

As the local Stellarvue nut around here, I know others are wondering how I managed to restrain myself from replying for so long. :lol:

I have the Nighthawk and love it's views. (when the crummy Pacific Northwest weather cooperates) It is well made by a small company that cares. Their customer service is excellent. Find a used one and you will be even more money ahead. When I was doing my research on buying my first scope, it seemed to me almost everyone had or wanted a small grab-n-go refractor. So I figured a well made one would probably get kept and used no matter what else I might buy. I have heard of very few problems with them.

All that being said, Orion also has a good reputation for customer service. Their 120mm has an adjustable objective lens holder. This is very useful feature if the scope needs collimation or other work to get the best performance. Not all of the import scopes have them. I have not had a chance to look through one yet, but I have considered getting one if I want a bigger scope. There are some mixed reviews here on CN. If you are a bit of a tinkerer, the chinese scopes can be made into very nice equipment.

One last option; Stellarvue has a 102" Achro that sounds like a sweet scope.

Hope this helped muddy the waters. :grin:

Merry Christmas

Keith

PS: I forgot to add that the Orion 80ED has a good reputation for the short time it has been out. Long term QC and ruggedness are still to be determined.

Also; I think Orion has a UK distibutor.

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Posted 15 December 2003 - 03:57 AM

Hi Blair, Tom and Heli.

Thanks for the replies. I've just started getting back into things after a long break, I like my ETX, but mine is not very well made - the mount doesn't rotate smoothly, and finder is terrible. I also think it might be mis-aligned... but that's another story.

I want a scope to feel really well engineered, great optics obviously, but I want everything to feel tight and smooth. Always fancied a TeleVue, but that's out of my budget....

What's the engineering like on Orion/Stellarview? How do the mounts, focusing, tripods etc compare?

Anyway - what can I expect from a good 80mm or greater Apo? I've never viewed though a good refractor, so if I could get some qualitative info how on how they compare to a Mak like the ETX that would be great.

Would the Stellatview or Orion be a side/downgrade from an original ETX 90?

Look forward to your advice.

Best
Simon

#6 Scott Beith

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Posted 15 December 2003 - 06:54 AM

Simon,
Are you refering to the Orion Astroview 120 or the 120 ST? They are drastically different scopes designed for different types of observing. The ST will show a lot more false color than the Stellarvue, and the long tube will show approximately the same amount of color, but will crush the SV in light gathering. The long tube 120 is, however a large scope. Keep this in mind when making your selection. My SV Nighthawk is an outstanding little scope, which performs extremely well within its intended use (wide field), and does a suprising job on planets too. The build quality of the Stellarvue is much better than the Orions. The Orions are good servicable scopes which will serve you well - the Stellarvue is simply a step up in quality. It all depends on what you want to observe. Hope this helps.

Scott

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Posted 15 December 2003 - 09:07 AM

I have both the ETX 90 (the optical tube assembly) and the Orion 80 ED. I use my ETX on a German Equatorial mounting. It has excellent optics. Once you get meade's mount out of the way, you can really appreciate what the little fella can do.
The 80mm ED does pass it up on two counts though:
1. Wide field viewing. No match, given the difference in focal length.
2. Multiple/double stars, planets. Planets are a tad better in the 80ED, but not by much. 80 ED splits doubles at a lower power, and for instance, shows more stars in the Trapezium, (sp?).

jay

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Posted 16 December 2003 - 07:40 AM

Hi Chris and Jay

Thanks for the replies. Yes I guess I should have said what i want to view. I didn't know the difference between the 120 and 120 ST regards viewing - to be honest I don't really understand the focal length issue, I thought is was more to do with astrophotography - shows how little I know!

So shorter tube= wider field (better for large DSOs) but more false colour
Long tube=narrow field and less colour (bettter for planets/stars)

Given the same apature both will have the same light grasp though, yes?

I want a general purpose scope, becuase I like DSO's and planets - not done much double star viewing, but I know I don't like colour at all - I guess my ETX should very good in this respect, but for some reason I get red/blue colouring on bright objects - might be my eyepieces??

I am getting a german EQ mount and tripod soon, so Jay, I hope to have more fun with the ETX in the mean time :)

**** this is so confusing!

Thanks
Simon



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Posted 16 December 2003 - 08:03 AM

Simon,
Whichever scope you decide on, make sure that the mount that you use with it is sturdy enough to handle it without shaking. Let us know which scope you decide on, and we can advise on the mount. The long tube 120 is a much better general purpose scope. You can use 2" EP's and have a wide FOV, as well as the ability to crank up the power on planets. The Skyview Pro 120 from Orion is the same OTA as the Astroview, but with a much better mount.

Scott

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Posted 16 December 2003 - 04:16 PM

Thanks Scott (appols for the name mixup earlier!)

I've seen a couple of SCTs secondhand which are tempting me, I don't know why but I just fancy a realy well made, quality refractor as I altready have a Mak...

RE the mount, my first scope (apart from a crappy Tasco when I was 11) was an 8" Newt. It was a home made scope using David Hinds optics and vixen Polaris (Super?). Anyway I had to make a tripod for it - which was actually superbly sturdy, but the Vixen was not up to carrying the huge 8" tube - wobbled and swayed like mad - maybe that's why I'm looking for a nice little refractor on a big chunky mount ;)

Anyway, I'll post a review whatever I get...

Best
Simon


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