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Deep Impact: Comet Tempel Finder Charts

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#1 BillFerris

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 10:03 AM

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The above chart shows comet 9P/Tempel's (Tempel 1) passage through Virgo over the course of two weeks beginning June 27 and ending July 10 of 2005. Tempel 1's position is marked with a carrot for 0 hours UT (8:00 pm EDT, 7:00 pm CDT, 6:00 pm MDT, 5:00 pm PDT) each day. So, 0 hours UT on June 27 corresponds to 8:00 pm EDT on June 26. The carrot at upper right is for June 27 UT. The lower left is for July 10 UT. The teal line connecting the markers traces the comet's predicted path across the sky. The brightest star in the field is Spica (alpha Virginis), shining at 1st magnitude and easily visible to the naked eye from a typical suburban or rural site. Spica is about 3 1/2 degrees southwest of the center marker along Tempel 1's path.

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The above chart covers roughly a 7 degree by 3 1/2 degree patch of sky. Tempel 1's position for 5:52 UT, July 4 (1:52 am EDT July 4; 10:52 pm PDT July 3) is indicated by a carrot. That is the date and time when the Deep Impact probe will slam into the comet at a speed of 23,000 miles per hour (37,000 kph). Astronomers anticipate the comet may brighten from mid-9th magnitude to 6th or 7th magnitude, as light is reflected from the plume of gas and dust ejected during the creation of a stadium-sized crater on the surface of the comet.

Since Tempel 1 will be about 83 million miles (134 million kilometers) from Earth at the time of impact, we won't see any brightening for at least 7 minutes--the time required for light to span that distance--or until about 6:00 UT, July 4. Computer modelling indicates the plume may take a few days to disperse, so the comet may remain noticeably brighter for several nights following impact.

At the time of impact, Tempel 1 will be stationed halfway between two bright stars. 82 Virginis, a 5.0 magnitude M-type star, simmers about 1.3 degrees to the northeast (upper left) of Tempel 1 on the night of July 3-4. Its ruddy hue should allow observers to easily identify 82 Vir. 72 Virginis, a 5.2 magnitude K-type star, shines the same distance to the southwest (lower right) or about 60% the distance from Spica to Tempel 1. Both stars are visible to the naked eye from a dark rural site and should be easily visible in binoculars or your finderscope. Point your scope halfway between 72 an d82 Vir to place the comet within your a low power eyepiece's field of view. Although Tempel 1 may brighten to 6th or 7th magnitude, its light will be spread across a relatively large area. The comet will look like a faint smudge of light against the sky. If the impact produces the desired effect, you'll see a stellar point of brightness within that cloudy glow.

Good hunting.

Bill in Flagstaff

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 10:37 AM

Here are some close up charts with labeled mag comparison stars

http://www.shopplaza...arts/comets.htm

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Posted 21 June 2005 - 08:58 PM

hey, whats the chance that this thing is made up of uranium or plutonium?

We're all gonna die...

j/k

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 06:44 AM

I'm bummed because I don't think I am going
to be able to see the impact here in Florida.
It might take place after it goes below the
horizon :(

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Posted 22 June 2005 - 09:57 AM

You are lucky! At least when it comes round the next night you can have a look. At my place up in the UK its all below the trees near the horizon and in very bright twilight. I'll have to take my gear up a hill and setup there.

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Posted 23 June 2005 - 06:14 PM

Using Cartes de Ciel, I have generated an additional finder charts for these last days before the Deep Impact experiment using a topocentric position of Salt Lake City, Utah -

RA/Dec Chart:
http://members.csolu...met9PFinder.gif

Alt-Az Chart (for 111 W, 41 N):
http://members.csolu...FinderAltAz.gif

The "official" Deep Impact site finder chart is at:
http://deepimpact.um...der_Charts.html

Positions for Comet 9P plotted in my RA finder chart is:

Positions for: Comet 9P/Tempel 1
Seen from: Salt Lake City, UT 111°53'27.6''W, 40°45'23.0''N
Generated from: JPL Horizons Ephemeris Generator http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/eph

Date UTC Position J2000.0
20050624 0400 J132109.18 -053442.3
20050626 0400 J132412.66 -062210.8
20050628 0400 J132723.90 -070942.1
20050630 0400 J133042.74 -075713.3
20050702 0400 J133409.04 -084441.2
20050704 0600 J133751.52 -093400.5
20050706 0400 J134123.45 -101914.7

- Canopus56

#7 BillFerris

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Posted 30 June 2005 - 11:18 AM

As an FYI, Bill Owen and Dave Tholen have posted messges to the Minor Planet Mailing List (MPML) clarifying that the published impact time of 5:52 UT, 4 July (1:52am EDT, July 4 or 10:52pm PDT, July 3), already accounts for the time delay between actual impact and when the event should be visible at Earth's distance.

Regards,

Bill in Flagstaff

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 03:20 PM

I generated the following chart using Starry Night Pro. It depicts the location of Comet Tempel-1 at the time of the probe impact. The view orientation on the chart is set for New Orleans Louisiana.

Could someone please take a look at this chart and let me know if I did this right? According to my chart, the comet will be slightly above the ecliptic and almost directly above Spica at the time of impact. This stroke of lucky timing should make it relatively easy to find for a novice like myself.....right? I have embedded a smaller version of the chart in this post below.

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The full-size chart is linked in my CN member-gallery here :

Louisiana Tempel-1 finder chart (full-size)


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Posted 01 July 2005 - 04:53 PM

That matches what I see in Cartes du Ciel. It's almost exactly between 76 and 82 Virgo. Both about mag 5 and around 2.7 degrees apart.

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 05:43 PM

I might have a shot at it!

#11 BillFerris

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 05:52 PM

Hi Mike,

The labelling on your chart indicates it was created for 04:52 UT July 4. The time of impact is 05:52 UT or one hour later.

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 05:55 PM

Bill does that mean it will be an hour closer to the horizon?

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 06:07 PM

Hi Mike,

The labelling on your chart indicates it was created for 04:52 UT July 4. The time of impact is 05:52 UT or one hour later.

Regards,

Bill in Flagstaff


Thanks for the heads-up Bill! I'm going to create a new chart after dinner. You know, I thought that looked a little too good to be true and a little too high above the horizon.

And yes Scott, I believe that means it will be that much lower on the horizon for us. I plan on climbing onto the roof and setting up to get a view over the neighboring homes.

---> Someone please have my head examined for setting up my binocs and tripod on the roof! <---

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BTW, I will post the new, corrected chart later tonight for anyone else who is interested.

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 06:17 PM

Scott, yes, if the chart shows the comet's position at 04:52 UT, then the location of the comet at the time of impact (05:52 UT) would be its position one hour later...an hour closer to the horizon.

What I'm having trouble figuring out, is how SN Pro got 4:42 UT equivalent to 12:52 AM for a location in the Central time zone. The labelling indicates the chart was created for New Orleans at 12:52 AM. Louisianna is in the Central Time Zone, right? Central Daylight Time (CDT) is five hours behind coordinated universal time (UTC), so 12:52 AM CDT is 05:52 UT. CST is 6 hours behind UTC so 12:52 AM CST is 06:52 UT. It's as though the software treats New Orleans like an Eastern time zone location during Daylight Savings Time.

Weird :question:

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Bill

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Posted 01 July 2005 - 06:44 PM

What I'm having trouble figuring out, is how SN Pro got 4:42 UT equivalent to 12:52 AM for a location in the Central time zone. The labelling indicates the chart was created for New Orleans at 12:52 AM. Louisianna is in the Central Time Zone, right? Central Daylight Time (CDT) is five hours behind coordinated universal time (UTC), so 12:52 AM CDT is 05:52 UT. CST is 6 hours behind UTC so 12:52 AM CST is 06:52 UT. It's as though the software treats New Orleans like an Eastern time zone location during Daylight Savings Time.

Weird

Regards,

Bill


You know, now that you mention it, I have noticed that discrepancy before, but I never paid much mind to it. I guess it is my inexperience. But yes, I thought I had the UT time right for the impact, but somehow SN-Pro is putting New Orleans in a Eastern timezone...apparently. I wonder why?

Here is a brand-new chart to reflect the correction. The blue line represents the Ecliptic. Luckily, Tempel remains directly above Spica. Unluckily, it will be much lower on the horizon for those of us in my area than I originally thought. I am undaunted though. I'll have my ladder and roof-top setup ready! And we have the consolation that perhaps the best show will be the next night when it is positioned for a better view. Hopefully the show will still be going on by then.

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The larger sized chart is linked here :

Louisiana Tempel-1 finder chart (full size)

Thanks again for the help!

MikeG


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Posted 02 July 2005 - 04:31 PM

just what am I looking for? I have been looking in that area the past two nights and can't find anything that I suspect to be a comet, My idea of what I'm looking for is a very faint bit of light, I've been using my 30mm in my XT8, maybe its cause I have lights all around making it harder and looking above a highschool ahead of me, maybe I'll pack to the baseball fields behind the school.

Any other ideas?

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Posted 02 July 2005 - 04:56 PM

Thanks for the chart Mike. :waytogo:

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Posted 03 July 2005 - 03:37 PM

From reports around here in Phoenix, this thing really needs a dark site to find. I'm going to cheat and use the goto, but either way I think we all need to get to as dark a site as possible. It is published at mag 9.7 and a size of around 1 minute, so that will be pretty dim. I havn't heard anyone seeing anything of a tail on this even with an 18".


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