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UGC 2885 Universe's largest spiral? - eh, maybe

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#1 Rick J

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 06:47 PM

UGC 2885 is a huge spiral classed as SA(rs)c. That much is obvious. After that things get murky. First link at Google says it is the largest known spiral at over 800 thousand light-years (250 kpc)! Yikes. I found this repeated several places. But as I dug deeper things became rather confused. NED shows a redshift of 5800 kms. Same as the site saying 800 thousand light-years gives. That puts it about 260 million light-years distant. They give its diameter as 5.5 minutes. Doing the math that gives a size 416 thousand light-years! Their own figures don't work.
http://weblore.com/r...rd/ugc_2885.htm

Another site (http://adsabs.harvar...A&A...146..213R) says the distance is 118 Mpc (384 million light-years) but this uses an old now disproved Hubble constant. Using this inflated distance they put it at 80 kpc (260 thousand light-years) radius or 520 thousand in diameter. Adjust this for the currently accepted distance of 260 million light-years and the size is 350 thousand light-years. We seem to have the incredible shrinking galaxy here. This agrees with my size estimate of 4.8' using the longest radius in my image when stretched far more than in the attached image. In kpc the diameter is about 110 kpc. Very large but not the humungous galaxy often quoted. In any case it is still a monster spiral. Is it the largest known? That I can't say. It is as large or larger than any I know of. Some ellipticals are larger however.

The field is heavily obscured, at least 1 magnitude. So is it larger than we can see because of this? I checked radio and IR references. Radio and IR see it about the same as my image so while obscured we are seeing the majority of the galaxy.

These sites also make claims the galaxy has rotated 12, 10, 8 and 5 times (various papers I found). These assume the galaxy has been around since the beginning of the universe. Some of the difference in estimates has to do with the accepted value for Hubble time at the date of the paper's publication but it can't begin to explain the wide variation given. To compare our sun, if it and our galaxy had existed for the 13.7 billion years of the universe. It would have rotated over 60 times.

This galaxy is also trotted out by supporters of MOND an alternate gravity theory used to deny dark energy. How much their argument relies on the over estimate of its size I don't know. But all start out touting its super large size so I suspect it is important to their argument. I have to admit I got lost in their papers so this might be an incorrect assumption.

The weirdness doesn't stop there. For some unexplained reason NED has the wrong coordinates for this galaxy. A case of close but no cigar. There is a very bright orange star at the northeast end of the densest part of its disk. Between it and the actual core are two fainer stars. the lower bluer. This one is at the exact position NED shows for the galaxy! At the position of the core they show [WGB2006] 034948+35270_a with no size or magnitude data. Other than the size being slightly small for their misplaced UGC 2885 everything else seems reasonable. Likely they interchanged these two objects. So is that blue star really a galaxy? I doubt it. The PSF matches similarly bright stars. A minor error but considering what I'd already found it rather surprised me that the errors continue.

Off the southwest end of the galaxy is LEDA 213253/2MASX J03525142+3534301 an IR rich galaxy. It shares a similar redshift value to UGC 2885 so is likely related. While there are 12 other identified galaxies in my field at NED all from the 2MASS IR catalog, none with much information so I didn't bother with an annotated image.

Some of the dust that obscures the galaxy is seen as a slight blueish glow on the right side of the image. On the right edge is a reddish streak coming in to a small galaxy. This caused by a star off the frame hitting something in the camera and reflecting in to the field. A blue star does the same from the top edge of my image.

The asteroid at the bottom of my image well left of center is (27704) 1984 WB4 at magnitude 16.7. The green frame was taken after it moved out of the field.

14" LX200R @ f/10, L=4x10' RGB=2x10'x3, STL-11000XM, Paramount ME

Full image:
http://www.spacebant...ntid=3918&stc=1

Attached cropped image enlarged to 0.67" per pixel.

Rick

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#2 lambermo

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 04:54 PM

Magnificent writeup. The galaxy looks nice but your research makes it so much more interesting !
Thanks for posting.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 06:55 PM

Fascinating Rick. I always look forward to your posts, both for the amazing images and for your excellent investigative reporting ... more interesting than a mystery novel!

Thanks as always,
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Posted 07 February 2012 - 11:00 PM

Thanks

I do enjoy researching these objects as much as imaging them. Seems nearly every time something interesting turns up. Or else I find virtually nothing is known about some object. Amazes me, an amateur can get rather reasonable images of objects the pros still haven't had time to research.

At Hyde Memorial Observatory where I was a supervisor for 27 years, we had a show with a title something like; "So many galaxies, so little time" about grad students trying to do this work but never having the time needed to do it right even if the skies cooperated which they often didn't. We didn't run it much as most of the public seemed to miss the point. You had to have been in that wringer to really understand that program. Sure comes home every time I want more data on something.

As a retired tax CPA my brain triggers when numbers just don't add up. Here, what I was reading caused bells to go off so I had to test the numbers. They didn't seem to work.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:07 AM

Rick, it's always a pleasure to see your images and read the write up. I am glad you share as you do - I learn so much.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 03:24 AM

Very interesting image, and lots of information too!
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Posted 08 February 2012 - 03:10 PM

Very fun write-up. I'm always struck by how numbers are reported with certainty for distant galaxies, as if we actually know them.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 03:46 PM

What an interesting target - thanks for the write-up too.


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