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#1 Grimnir

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:25 AM


I'm looking for a pair of inexpensive, lightweight (objectives probably not larger than 25mm), preferably porro, binos for my 10 year old daughter.

Her IPD is only 51mm.

Any recommendations?


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Posted 14 July 2012 - 10:53 AM

Hi Graham,

The 21mm Pentax Papilio would appear to be a good choice.

It is available in either 6x or 8x magnification.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 11:03 AM

Hi Kenny,

Thanks but according to Pentax the minimum IPD of the Papilio is 56mm - so it's definitely too big for my daughter - looks like a good glass though.

The Leupold Yosemite 6x30 is a possibility but as far as I can see is hard to obtain here in the UK except online - and naturally I'd prefer to examine if possible before I buy. Nevertheless at the moment it's looking like I'll have to buy the Yosemite online.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 11:24 AM

Leupod Yosemite, check out Eagle Optics web site, I think they ship to the UK and are great people to deal with, get the 6x30 model , I was useing mine this morning and they are very good at twice the price, DA.

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 11:43 AM

My grandson's favorite binoculars are my old Nikon 7x35Es; they have a 48mm IPD and a nice, big, 5mm exit pupil. I suppose it would be difficult to find a used pair, though.

He absolutely loves the close-up capabilities of my 6.5x21 Papilios but as you say, they're too wide for your daughter currently at a measured 55mm.

I'd let her try your 8x30 EIIs; I measure 52mm on mine. That would probably be sufficient for her use as well. Otherwise, there's always the Yosemites.

Good luck,

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 04:49 PM

Vortex Raptor 6.5x32 Binocular with 50mm IPD

$119.99 at Eagle Optics

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 08:10 PM

The Raptors are basically the same as the Yosemites, Celestron sell it as the nature, and Kowa sell it also, comes from the same factory with cosmetic differences, look for availability and best price, DA.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 04:36 AM

Ok - so to recap we have:

Leupold BX-1 Yosemite 6x30
Kowa YF 6x30
Opticron Savanna 6x30
Vortex Raptor 6.5 x 32

which, apart from a few cosmetic changes, all appear to be essentially the same binocular.

Here in the UK the Kowa is significantly more expensive than the others.

Does anyone know whether there are any optical or mechanical differences between these models? Do they have the same or different coatings?


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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:19 AM

Funny about the Kowa? in Canada its priced pretty well the same as the Yosemite and Raptor, anyway if you import into the UK you may be hit with higher shipping costs,duties?, if you can source one of the binos in question localy then that may be the best way to go,I looked through the Kowa and also the Celestron nature 6x30 porro and apart from minor cosmetic differences I could not see any difference to my Yosemite at the eyepiece, DA.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 02:53 PM

I hate to be the dullard on this subject,but please warn any child with any optical magnifying instrument NEVER to look at the sun.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 04:45 PM

Good point Simon, nothing worse than running around with your head on fire.DA. :mrevil:

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:32 AM

As an indication of UK vs US prices for these binos:

Leupold Yosemite 6x30 £89 vs $90
Kowa YF 6x30 £129 vs $99
Opticron Savanna 6x30 £80 (couldn't see a US price)
Vortex Raptor 6x30 £89 vs $120

You Americans don't know how lucky you are!

Also I was unable to trace the Celestron Nature 6x30 - I could only see the 8x30 which is available in the UK for about £55 which, assuming thay are optically equivalent to the models listed above, makes them the best deal of the bunch but I would prefer 6x30 for my daughter.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:57 AM

I'm looking for a pair of inexpensive, lightweight (objectives probably not larger than 25mm), preferably porro, binos for my 10 year old daughter.

Her IPD is only 51mm.


I think that roof prisms are by far your best bet in that IPD range. Many of them fold up tight for storage with IPDs probably around 30 mm.

Very few conventional porro models will do the job.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 05:42 AM

Hi Tony,

I'd prefer a porro as it's my experience that at this price level porros are much better optically than roofs.

The 4 models in my last post have 50 or 51mm IPD.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:38 AM

The Yosemites were designed from the outset for younger users, they became an instant success and that resulted in other companies selling their versions, they all appear to be from the same factory with similar specs, however in the case of the KOWA version its possible that their are small improvements that justify the higher price.
As Opticron is a UK brand I would be inclined to go for those as a first choice, dollar for dollar or in your case pound for pound your money will buy a better porro than a roof prism type, DA.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:24 AM

I measured the Yosemite 6x30 to have an IPD range from 49mm to 71mm

Also something tellsm e that spec on the Papillio is overstated. Buti i've searched for my data n that one and cannot find any IPD measures

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:43 AM

According to Pentax the minimum IPD of the Papilio is 56mm which even if it measures a little less will certainly be too large. My daughter prefers the appearance of the Kowa over the Opticron - these things matter to 10 year olds! Normally I'd simply order the Opticrons as I already have two of their other models and both were good value for money. Unfortunately Eagle Optics and, it seems, other US suppliers, do not ship Kowas to Europe so I may have to shell out for the Kowas in the UK.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:00 AM

Also something tellsm e that spec on the Papillio is overstated. Buti i've searched for my data n that one and cannot find any IPD measures


Only slightly; the Papilios I have here in my hand measure 55mm with a digital caliper, FWIW.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:03 AM

The Papilio is a very specalist binocular anyway, mounted on a tripod its almost a microscope for watching bugs and things close up, distance performance is also not bad but not as good as the Yosemite IMHO, DA.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:09 AM

The Papilio's distance performance is plenty good for a child, IMO; the macro capabilities and small size are what makes them so attractive to my grandson.

I still highly recommend them for any child with an IPD of 55mm or more. No help for the OP, of course.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:41 PM

I cast my vote for the Leupold Yosemite 6x30. I always go porro when I can.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:03 AM

they all appear to be from the same factory with similar specs, however in the case of the KOWA version its possible that their are small improvements that justify the higher price.


If so the Kowas would also be more expensive in the US. I suspect the reason for their price hike in the UK is that the importers are attempting to cash in on the Kowa badge and name.

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