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Mystery scope: TIC 60mm x 900mm - Nihon Seiko?

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#1 wfj

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 01:35 PM

What attracted my attention: [note - one knob on focuser]

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 01:39 PM

http://www.company7....nitron_114.html

Some smaller quantity production lots of telescopes were made by Nihon Seiko Kenkyusho under other trade names, but these are not anywhere near as common as those bearing UNITRON or POLAREX trade names.



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Posted 07 September 2013 - 02:01 PM

Two boxes with same "unitron-like" hardware. Scope box finely crafted, tripod and mount box less so.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 02:09 PM

First box:

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 02:34 PM

What attracted my attention: [note - one knob on focuser]


AWESOME FIND! I vote yes Nihon Seiko!

Here's my boring old pedistrian Uni(yawn) to compare. Is TIC a re-brand name?

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 02:55 PM

EPs - "TIC" instead of Unitron:

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 03:02 PM

What attracted my attention: [note - one knob on focuser]


AWESOME FIND! I vote yes Nihon Seiko!

Here's my boring old pedistrian Uni(yawn) to compare. Is TIC a re-brand name?

Thanks Keith, that means a lot from those like you who score so many great scopes!

The box, layout, and parts look like a match with yours.

I'm thinking its a rebrand, but look also at this badge - maybe you can help me on it: "INSTRUMNTS FOR SCIENCE"

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 03:23 PM

Second box: legs ...

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 03:24 PM

... and mount ...

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 03:28 PM

... standing up ...

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 03:37 PM

Another comparison to Unitron...

I love your focuser with the apparent typo. It will be interesting if anyone here has ever seen this before. Yours certainly has more character than my Uni!

I think mine as yours dates to 1954, or maybe 1956. At some point the "62mm" became 60mm. I don't think the lens diameter changed though, just the description, or definition of clear aperture (?)

Anyway trying not to bust into your thread too much but you are posting too slowly for me to contain my excitement for you and your find! A Unitron #114 by any other name...

BTW does anyone know why they were designated #114 or #128 for the 60mmX900 scopes?

Could your new scope have been produced before United Scientific was even up and running? Before the Unitron name was born? Pre 1954?

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:09 PM

Keith,
You are not busting the thread, you're making the thread!

Those are exactly the questions I'd like to find answers to.

Sorry I'm so slow, but feel free to cut in anytime and I'll try to find any answers - can't find any date codes.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:20 PM

... OTA added ...

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:25 PM

... hey what's this, no glass?

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:26 PM

That is really neat. And wouldn't it be something if Keith is correct and it is before Unitron.
Another reason I should order the S&T collection some early Unitron ads may shed some light on the mystery scope.

Robert

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:30 PM

WOW!!

Could this be the Uni-one??
What a find!

Congratulations wfj!

What a Thread!
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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:30 PM

Remaining parts(L-R): H 25 mm, Solar cap, some erecting prism, SYM.ACH.9 mm, K 12.5 mm, objective in adj. cell, some erecting prism in fixture, metal dew shield, cardboard dew shield cap cover, porro erector, screw on lens cell holder, some kind of cap.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:48 PM

OH NOOO!

C'mon there is a lens in the kit, right? Maybe under the eyepiece tray???

If not, first light is gonna be disappointing!

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:54 PM

WOW!!

Could this be the Uni-one??
What a find!

Congratulations wfj!

What a Thread!
:gotpopcorn:


Thanks Bill,

It maybe, but I'd sure like to figure out how to prove it.

You get to see the clues as I do, and to tell me where to search for more if hidden.

It's from an estate sale. The grandkids told me that thier grandparents were more into collecting things than using them, that no one ever saw this til they were cleaning out the basement. Had them check for missing parts in the basement - no luck.

Asked if any in the family ever did any astronomy ever - "no". House was originally purchased sometime in the early 50's. So much for the back story.

They were amazed when I offered them good money for it.

I'm still curious about just what this is and what it means.

Had expected a Unitron 114/128 just like Keith.

Its something else.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:00 PM

All assembled.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:06 PM

OH NOOO!

C'mon there is a lens in the kit, right? Maybe under the eyepiece tray???

If not, first light is gonna be disappointing!


No fear - its there. Looks untouched - spacers/coatings perfect. Little light dust, possibly a child's index finger print at 80% radius out from center. Not cleaning this.

There will be first light tonite. BTW, GRS transit this morning was fantastic, guess the luck has carried through the day ...

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:13 PM

That is really neat. And wouldn't it be something if Keith is correct and it is before Unitron.
Another reason I should order the S&T collection some early Unitron ads may shed some light on the mystery scope.

Robert


Hi Robert,

Perhaps Company Seven might know? My Japanese business contacts don't go (yet) into Nihon Seiko's direction or before 1970, and I'm not planning a visit, so that's out.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:22 PM

This appears to be a penta prism erector inside a collimatable fixture. Found jammed into the dew shield.

Your guess is better than mine why this is present.

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:24 PM

A very interesting find. Looks to be a great scope too when you get her all cleaned up. Thanks for sharing. Enjoy!

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:27 PM

"INSTRUMNTS FOR SCIENCE"



It's OK. Spelling is an art, not a science.

Maybe "TIC" stands for T(something) Instrumnt Company.


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