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#1 core

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:05 AM

Got a pocket/pico projector last week, it's been cloudy ever since :grin: (I guess the curse even knows when your equipment will be used in astronomy)

I'm really exited with the possibilities, sharing some quick shots from tonight - here's the setup:

Celestron 6SE

Meade Electronic Eyepiece (discontinued) - I like that it has manual gain control, very useful at full-moon to dial down the gain/contrast to bring out shadowless features.

0.5x 1.25" Focal Reducer - could work either way with or without, depending on what you want to show.

3M Mpro150 Pocket Projector - long discontinued; 4:3 aspect ratio, 640x480 resolution, about the lowest lumens (15 lumens max) projector out there. On board battery last about 2hrs. While it's rated at ~40" projection, I can get astro vids to show nice on screen size in excess of 100" in dark environments.

Screen - I already have several options accumulated; 50" and 80" portable, ~20" rear projection. However the winds were gusting tonight (yay OK!) and I didn't want to bother with a flapping screen - mounted the projector as high as I could on the tripod and pointed it down to the bare concrete floor :jump:

Can't wait for the moon to wane, and bring out my lowly SDC-435 to give it a go. Yeah, there are several factors involved, including the incongruency of introducing even more light into observational astronomy - but I'm certain there are several situations where this sort of setup can be put into good use, either in an outreach setting or just for the fun of it. Our local club has a monthly outreach event at the local art district, under well-lit locations - I'll be giving it a try then.

I also have a 3M M220 65 lumens arriving next week; I didn't know initially if 15 lumens would be too bright, but from the past week of testing it's way more than enough imo - the 65 lumens unit does seem like an over-kill now, but will see how it goes. If you're looking for a pico projector, you might want to avoid 3M units as the analog input cables are propriety and may be hard to find (make sure they come with the unit when buying used). The other option would be aaxa P series projectors that have standard inputs.

These two moon shots are live:
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This one is a picture display from a M42 capture I did sometime back with SDC-435 and 6SE, gives an idea of what to expect.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 04:43 AM

Very cool! Sidewalk astronomy indeed.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:47 AM

WOW. A true sidewalk astronomer if ever there was.
Love it. :waytogo:

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:57 AM

That is so cool, thank you very much for sharing,, now thats real time video LOL, just kidding.... I bet thats a big hit at star parties or just sharing,, very cool
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 08:30 AM

Very cool.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 10:55 AM

Now that is just really cool. Something to consider (for all of us)... something I do on Halloween during trick or treat is to have a few telescopes set up. Could you imagine using this setup for that?

Maybe I need to start saving up for a video camera. You guys have some really neat stuff that I think would be great for outreach.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 11:02 AM

Now that is just really cool. Something to consider (for all of us)... something I do on Halloween during trick or treat is to have a few telescopes set up. Could you imagine using this setup for that?

Maybe I need to start saving up for a video camera. You guys have some really neat stuff that I think would be great for outreach.

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It doesn't have to be a video camera. It can be a stills or Hybrid camera with video output and do the same thing.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:28 PM

Cool idea if I can get a hand on that small-size light-weight projector. It certainly was not limited to video camera at all. One can project the digital image from his/her computer out for real-time public viewing.

You just need to look down instead up for observing. Easier on neck. :)

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:01 PM

Wow! that is a great idea. Just a suggestion, do you think you could put some sort of white clothing on the sidewalk? It would increase contrast I think.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 06:40 PM

Very cool! Talk about walking on the moon!

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:06 PM

Very cool! Talk about walking on the moon!


I hear Sting singing now...

"Giant steps are what you take... walking on the moon... "

:lol:

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:41 PM

Neato! That's a different approach for sure!

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 10:40 PM

Here was my similar approach from a while back- also had up on Halloween! http://www.youtube.c...h?v=-gcOl3xVj8g you can find some pretty cheap RCA input projectors around- just make sure the bulbs work because the replacements can be more than the projector is worth. But it would be nice to have a battery powered unit...something else to buy :-)


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 03:13 AM

Thank y'all for the kind words! Definitely not something new (will be planning to use my garage door as a screen for Halloween, thanks scout72!).

Very cool! Talk about walking on the moon!


Dan, I'm going to have to borrow your idea when I get to chance to try this out at a sidewalk/outreach with the moon up - "step right here and walk on the moon!" :D

I would have tried a white sheet on the floor(or grass), but the winds weren't too cooperative. I had a couple sheets of white corrugated plastic that I tried, but they only measure ~2'x1.5'

The Mpro150 seems to be going right under $100 on ebay, still a tad high imo, and the battery (if used) might already be half-way thru its life. The projector is powered via 5V/2A, so if you splice the power cable, it should be pretty easy to use a wide variety of 5V supplies.

The AAXA P1 Jr. Pico was $109 MSRP just before being discontinued. Best deal imo for new would be on the look out over at daily deal sites (woot.com, etc) for discontinued or refurbs.

Next up I'm going to team the projector up with a analog video processor (in another thread here), which should allow for black-level and other controls, which would hopefully reduce the amount of LP in the video being projected when projecting DSO's (since there's no picture controls on most all projectors).

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:54 AM

I had a neighbour who used to do Saturday night outdoor movies on the side of his house for the neighbourhood kids. He actually painted part of that that side of the house in a paint designed for projector use. The next step up was a pair of 4x8 sheets of ply with a tight tongue and groove seem between them as a better projection surface. The projector was an older DSP type of unit with 1024 x 768 resolution.

Just before I moved I did a few nights of video from the telescope with him. It went over very well with the kids and adults. Large bright objects were the best choices, especially the moon (but M13, 8, 16, and 17 were also big hits). The highlight was "touring" over the surface of the moon at medium magnifications but I had to be careful not to go too fast otherwise I started to get "whow, that's making me sick".

The scope was positioned around the corner from the project to help cut down on the light. I stood in between on the corner to be able to talk to the kids and still see what the scope was doing.

I found that better surfaces made a real difference with lower brightness projectors. S-video SD 420i resolution was fine for most situations as long as we didn't try to cover 8' sections, but today an HDMI upscaler would probably smooth things out for an even better image.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 12:47 PM

LOL Mark,, that is too funny..

Hey kids, lets go watch Marks astronomy videos,, just remember to bring your barf bags LOL,,,, :p
That would be a good outreach method,, mmmmmmm :question:
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Posted 20 September 2013 - 06:37 PM

Kasey, It sure was a surprising comment during the moon views.
I wouldn't want any of them to :vomit: , that would be a night to remember for the wrong reasons.

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Posted 08 October 2016 - 10:43 PM

A quick update after a couple of years ... might belong more to Outreach forums though.  (xpost my 'walk-on-the-moon' post using a 2,500 lumen projector for Halloween http://www.cloudynig...reach/?hl=+moon )

 

I've since had the pico video projector combo working for various outreach events, scouting, and HS astronomy classes.  As part of this weekend's 2016 International Observer the Moon night, our local club host a monthly side-walk astronomy at the local arts district.  6SE with 0.63x FR and SDC-435.  I used the screen material from an old OHP screens and duck-taped it to the sidewalk.  Countless kids, families, adults, and the occasional pets had fun 'walking-on-the-moon', and dancing on it as well (it helped that we had live musicians just behind this pic).  A fellow observer had a 4" scope with video on M13 to show on a 26" LCD screen as well.

 

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Posted 09 October 2016 - 12:09 AM

Fantastic Peter!

 

That's what it's all about.   :waytogo:  FUN!


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Posted 09 October 2016 - 04:40 PM

Peter, if you read the new rules for the EAA Observing & Equipment forum outreach posts are specifically singled out as acceptable here in rule #1 but they are also highly encouraged.


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Posted 09 October 2016 - 08:37 PM

thats awesome.. i recently got a pico-projector, too.. i didn't think about projecting it on the floor.. brilliant idea!!



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Posted 10 October 2016 - 12:43 AM

Thanks all for the kind words, much appreciated (I haven't read the EAA Forums rules in a while!).  I'd put the 'serious' part of amateur astronomy (astrophoto, tinkering with equipment & hording ;) ) on the the back burner for the past year+, but it's still a joy to share the night skies with others, and I'm fortunate that there are more opportunities than my available time close to my location.  Another pic - same setup, this time at a darker location - summer program at a center for children with developmental disabilities - some of the kids on wheelchairs or motorized we having fun driving over the moon, while others just wanted to roll around in it.  The perceived resolution of a dinky analog NTSC output is much better than expected, and for the next step I'd like to try a Live View DSLR/mirrorless that can provide live HDMI output, but that would require a portable projector of the same capability.

 

 

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Posted 14 December 2016 - 04:48 PM

Did some research online.  The Mpro150 has a bigger brother called the Mpro 180 that has better resolution at 800x600, but both are obsolete.  It takes HDMI and A/V composite input.

 

It seems the latest is the AXAA HD Pico Projector with 720P (1280x720) display ability and only $155.  Its contrast ratio is twice that of previous versions at 2000:1.  Takes inputs of 1080P HDMI and A/V composite. 

http://aaxatech.com/..._projector.html

 

Heck, you could dump your big TV and use this with a laptop and USB TV tuner for a compact entertainment center.  Would be great for camping to show a movie on tent wall at 720p.  Has one watt audio too.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:58 PM

I think I might buy one of these:AAXA HD Pico LED Projector for $155, has a run time of 150 minutes on a charge (Li-Ion battery). Here is the link:

 

http://aaxatech.com/..._projector.html

 

Looks like a nice projector for Outreach astronomy.



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Posted 15 January 2017 - 06:11 AM

This is BLOODY well AWESOME! (Aussie slang for REALLY good lol)


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