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#26 UND_astrophysics

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 09:23 PM

Toys R us and Hobby Lobby distributes them in the USA.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 09:28 PM

http://www.teleskop-...ITE-127-Refr...

US $ 540 before shipping and import costs. To high for me.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:17 AM

Hi I got mine recently via Amazon

http://www.amazon.co...0/dp/B002SY9JNU

I have no idea if they would send to the USA


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 06:25 AM

- Bresser Messier 127/1200 OTA @ 369€ (494 US$). Shipping GLS: 176.90€ (237.15 US$)
www.astroshop.eu/p,13233

- Bresser Messier 152/1200 OTA @ 476€ (638 US$): Shipping DHL Premium: 111.90€ (150.01 US$).
www.astroshop.eu/p,20908

In both cases you may save some bucks.


I think that is the cheaper online shop we got in Europe selling Bresser AC telescopes.
There may be others the same price, but they are not much known, so you better go with known dealers.


I purchased from Astroshop always and they offer quite a good price.
Overall I'm a happy customer of astroshop. But their consumer support service is not that good. I mean, they will replace you broken pieces or send missing parts and such, but your email questions will probably need 2 or 3 days to get and answer. And even when they are polite, they are rather "short on words". Once I asked them to send me a missing part. They didn't answered my mail at all, but one day a DHL guy appeared with the missing parts at my door. During that week I was guessing if they received my email or even if they sent it directly to the bin...

Also we got teleskop-express, who is well known here. They are the direct competitors with astroshop. Although I never purchased from them, their prices are usually lower than those in astroshop. I would purchase from teleskop-express, but since only astroshop had what I needed, then I had no choice.
Their customer support is better. They will answer you really fast, very polite and friendly.
Actually I'm going to pruchase some things from them before end of december.


In either case, both of them are excelent dealers and the cheapest ones you can find around Europe.

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 09:45 AM

- Bresser Messier 127/1200 OTA @ 369€ (494 US$). Shipping GLS: 176.90€ (237.15 US$)
www.astroshop.eu/p,13233

- Bresser Messier 152/1200 OTA @ 476€ (638 US$): Shipping DHL Premium: 111.90€ (150.01 US$).
www.astroshop.eu/p,20908

In both cases you may save some bucks.


I think that is the cheaper online shop we got in Europe selling Bresser AC telescopes.
There may be others the same price, but they are not much known, so you better go with known dealers.


I purchased from Astroshop always and they offer quite a good price.
Overall I'm a happy customer of astroshop. But their consumer support service is not that good. I mean, they will replace you broken pieces or send missing parts and such, but your email questions will probably need 2 or 3 days to get and answer. And even when they are polite, they are rather "short on words". Once I asked them to send me a missing part. They didn't answered my mail at all, but one day a DHL guy appeared with the missing parts at my door. During that week I was guessing if they received my email or even if they sent it directly to the bin...

Also we got teleskop-express, who is well known here. They are the direct competitors with astroshop. Although I never purchased from them, their prices are usually lower than those in astroshop. I would purchase from teleskop-express, but since only astroshop had what I needed, then I had no choice.
Their customer support is better. They will answer you really fast, very polite and friendly.
Actually I'm going to pruchase some things from them before end of december.


In either case, both of them are excelent dealers and the cheapest ones you can find around Europe.


Well I asked APM to give me the pricing on the 127L and the answer was: "Export price is 311 Euro plus shipping DHL 75 Euro. You have to pay your taxes and customs." So at current rate that's US $519 plus whatever customs cost would be.(75-100?) Certainly this is way above the ES quoted delivered price. So to me, its not worth it with the added hassle of importation, cost, chance of issues, communications gap, etc. Oh well. :(

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 12:00 PM

Is this scope signicantly better than the "common" Orion 120mm f8.3 ?

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 01:38 PM

I was focused on this 1200mm f/9.4 because of its longer f/l (in theory less CA) and the fact that I already have a 1000mm f/l 102mm achromat. With all the excitement about the Celestron 102mm f/9.8 I was hoping to get a little more light gathering for my grab and go set up. I don't want any short f/l refractor for my white light pollution area.
IMO for whatever the reason that ES can't or won't now sell the long version, its a marketing mistake, especially at a $450 shipped price point. Imagine the excitement it could produce?

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 06:31 PM

Have you looked at the Astrozap version of the same scope? I believe it is $579.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 09:19 AM

With all the excitement about the Celestron 102mm f/9.8 I was hoping to get a little more light gathering for my grab and go set up.


Wait, wait.
The Bresser 127mm is 7kg and 1.2meters long.
The 152mm is 11kg and the same length.
I saw once a 152/1200 and it is a beast. I wouldn't call it grab&go. At least not as grab&go'able as a 100/1000 or a 80/700.

Plus also take into account that for the 152mm an EQ5 will be undermounted, so you will need a HEQ5.
And for the 127mm the EQ5 would me near its limit.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 10:08 AM

My definition of grab and go is much heavier than most anyone else's. I always use a EQ-6 Go to. And my 102mm has rings and a handle that I use to mount it with 1 hand. Compared to my other scopes, that's soooo easy. With non Go To mounts, its just too hard and time consuming to find things in my light polluted area. I've had a carbon triplet f/8 152 for a short while and it did fine, so I know. But I don't want a 152.....I have a 180mm Mak for planetary, moon and tighter DSOs now. But if I could find a longer f/l 127 achromat like this f/9.4 it would help with my particular set of viewing requirements. And one that wouldn't break the bank.
That's why I thought, after viewing for a half year with the 102mm f/9.8, that it would be as/even more enjoyable. So I hope this explains it a little more.
It still comes down to my opinion that ES reversal is quite disappointing to me and evidently others since they had a few orders in process when they reversed their sales strategy.
Regards,
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:04 AM

Hi I don't know if you have seen these people ?

http://www.sale-tele...7L-127mm-Ach...


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Posted 21 November 2013 - 04:12 AM

Hi again evidently a scam site stay well clear sorry didn't realise

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:33 AM

Not a problem. Thanks anyway. Just points out the need for Bresser to address this with a seller/distributor in the USA!

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:59 PM

Just purchased the AR 127L and tracking system.. shipping is a little steep, but looks worth it overall. Could not control my mouse finger when it hovered over "Add to shopping cart". I will give a report when it arrives.

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 01:29 PM

Excellent. PM sent.

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 08:14 PM

Well interesting email from Agena Astro.....Coming Soon......
Bresser eyepieces and telescopes....

S.Bob

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 08:19 PM

Mr. Bob:

Do you think Agena Astro will sell the Messier 127L f/9.4?

Thank you. :bow:

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 09:30 PM

Mr. Bob:

Do you think Agena Astro will sell the Messier 127L f/9.4?

Thank you. :bow:


I don't know. I posted it here since I thought that there would be guys out there who wanted to buy it. But I haven't sent them an E mail since having been jerked around by ES on this subject, the line has lost my business.......I bought the Celestron 6" SCT.....beautiful views and good contrast and no CA. Too bad, huh?
But Agenaastro is a great company. They will be selling the Messier EPs too. Send them an email and let everyone know....
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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:57 PM

Mr. Bob:

Do you think Agena Astro will sell the Messier 127L f/9.4?

Thank you. :bow:


I don't know. I posted it here since I thought that there would be guys out there who wanted to buy it. But I haven't sent them an E mail since having been jerked around by ES on this subject, the line has lost my business.......I bought the Celestron 6" SCT.....beautiful views and good contrast and no CA. Too bad, huh?
But Agenaastro is a great company. They will be selling the Messier EPs too. Send them an email and let everyone know....
Regards,
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Well it seems that AgenaAstro will have one by the end of next week, 2/7/14. Will be getting them from ES. (Now we know the rest of the story) Price is $499, nothing special I thought. I didn't get any information as to what that includes. Now to wait for the details and the first light report from someone.
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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:08 PM

$499 is cheap for good 5" achromat, no?

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 11:32 AM

I don't know.....it depends on the 'stuff' that comes with it and the level of quality. Take a look at the first post on this thread..... We'll have to see once Agenaastro puts it on its website, or someone gets information from them. Most likely its not higher quality diagonal, or rings or finder, but who knows. Especially with ES's big price increase on most of their products. (When I first started this thread the price for that scope was $450 shipped.) But I'm glad that AA will be handling it. Good peeps.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:48 PM

Well, it appears that the Bresser that AgenaAstro is selling is the 127S, which is a f/5, not the f/9.4. Too bad.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:58 PM

Yes, the mass email was sent out by Agena earlier today and its website reflects the Bresser offerings ("out of stock" at this time) but the email clarifies they will be available for purchase late next week. Yep, it's a faster 5" achro version, not the longer FL one, again, at this time.

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 06:34 AM

Just found out that 'Andrews Communications' here in Australia are selling the Bresser AR127L on EXOS3 ( EQ5) mount , 9-15 and 25mm plossls , 2x barlow and red LED torch for $999 aud with free shipping Australia wide .

Man that's a great price for a nice looking set up , handsome looking scope and if the optics are as good as the old Meade refractors they will be great performers .
It would be great if someone here in Perth got one so we can do a side by side with my Istar 127mm f8 achromat.

BTW the 102 is $899aud and the 152 is $1399aud , same set up .
Well done Andrews and I think they will sell quite a few at those prices especially given the extras they are throwing in .

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:50 PM

This 5" achromat (the "L" version) should be the same scope as Meade's 5" achromat (AR5), sold till couple of years ago with the LXD-75 mount (I think it was priced at $1K in the US and never offered as an OTA only deal). I had the 6" version. It seems they did pretty much only a cosmetic change at this time. Many users liked the Meade version at the time, per their CN postings. I see no reason for a different performance now.


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