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#1 tedkord1968

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 05:35 PM

I happened across an ad on Craigslist yesterday for what I thought was a killer deal, but I've been out of the hobby for a little while and I'd like to know what much more knowledgeable people here think.

The package was:

Orion 102ED (Vixen made? circa 2000? White Tube. Looks like the one Ed Ting reviewed 10/9/2000)
Several different visual backs/extenders
Vixen Grand Polaris mount and tripod
Orion erecting prism
Orion 5.2mm Lanthanum ep
LV 8-24mm zoom ep
LV 20mm ep
Orion 35mm Ultrascopic

I paid $300 for the whole package, plus a travel bag for the whole setup. The tube and dew shield have a bit of dirt and scratches here and there, but no actual damage. Objective looked flawless. Eyepieces were smudged, but no cracks or any other damage.

I set it up today and did some daytime viewing. Unfortunately, in my housing development, I have trees and buildings all around so nothing too distant to look at. Checking some trees about 2-300 yards away, the image looked crisp and I couldn't detect any color fringing even with the 5.2mm (though there wasn't anything bright I could look at)

The seller said she had quite a few hits, even one guy offering to buy it sight unseen, but I was the first to contact her so she gave me first crack at it. What do you think, was it worth the $300?

I still have my Nexstar 11GPS, but haven't had it out in years (since my back started getting bad - that thing is heavy!)

The attached picture is one I found online, same model but not an actual picture of the one I bought.

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#2 PowellAstro

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 05:43 PM

Was it worth 300? I'll give you 300 for it now. Unless the unit is trashed and nothing works, it was a very, very good deal!!

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:54 PM

I think a refractor is getting ready to replace an SCT, good deal and enjoy

#4 John Huntley

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:02 PM

Thats a fantastic deal you have just got !

I have a Vixen ED102SS which is the same scope as the Orion VX102ED, as Orion named it. It's a superb scope and very versatile. You don't see many of these about on either side of the Atlantic.

I believe the optical tube alone cost well over $1,000 when it was new so you have really found a bargain with all the accessories and the fine Great Polaris mount included.

The eyepieces alone are worth $300 on the used market I would think.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:11 PM

The mount alone is worth $300. That is a great find.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:12 PM

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

Mr. Huntley, as you have the identical scope, I'll ask you how much CA should I be expecting? Is it semi-apo level? Also, have you used it with a binoviewer? I have a Denkmeier prototype of the the Denk2 (it's not a 2, but has the coatings of the 2). I'm curious if it will reach focus.

The refractor isn't replacing the SCT, I'll keep both. But due to the weight and my back, the refractor will probably get more use.

I'm a shift worker, working tonight and tomorrow night (4pm-4am), so no time to try it under night skies until the weekend, if weather permits. I'm no expert on star testing so I won't be able to estimate over/undercorrection, etc. I'll just see if it gives me nice pinpoint stars and a black backround (accounting for my severely light polluted skies)

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 09:11 PM

Great deal!!! What does the label say on the OTA (Back left hand side).

#8 tedkord1968

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 09:45 PM

The only label I saw was the ED label. I'm at work right now so I can't look, but I think it says ED extra low dispersion.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 10:38 PM

Deal of the century!
I've never looked through a Vixen refractor I didn't like.
Enjoy.

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#10 SteveG

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 02:28 PM

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

Mr. Huntley, as you have the identical scope, I'll ask you how much CA should I be expecting? Is it semi-apo level?


It will be very close to color free on almost all targets. I would call it an APO. You got a great deal - I would have paid $300 for the mount alone!

#11 John Huntley

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 08:47 PM

Mr. Huntley, as you have the identical scope, I'll ask you how much CA should I be expecting? Is it semi-apo level? Also, have you used it with a binoviewer? I have a Denkmeier prototype of the the Denk2 (it's not a 2, but has the coatings of the 2). I'm curious if it will reach focus.


I can't help on the Denk questions as I've never used one.

On the CA levels, they are really pretty low in my opinion. Just a small amount around the brighter stars, nothing really visible (to me at any rate) on Jupiter, Saturn and Mars and virtually no CA on the lunar limb, at focus.

My Vixen ED102SS replaced a Skywatcher ED100 which is F/9. I thought it was bound to produce noticably more CA than the F/9 doublet with an FPL-53 element but it does not seem to.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 06:56 PM

You STOLED that baby....

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 12:12 AM

In my opinion, I very recently got a 'great deal' (also found on CL) on a gently used, relatively young Orion ED80 + SVP Mount w/Intelliscope (push-to) for $300. Came w/stock 10/20mm Sirius + 7.5mm Highlight plossl), the original boxes, and original invoices.

By comparison, yours is a phenomenal deal. Congrats on a super acquisition!

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 07:56 AM

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

The weather this weekend didn't cooperate, but I did try the scope out during brief, intermittent spots between the constant, fast moving clouds Friday night.

As a disclaimer, I am much more amateur than astronomer. I can't really starhop, don't know the sky and have never used a GEM before.

I didn't bother polar aligning, since I knew I wasn't going to get but a minute or two here and there. I just aimed. Starting with the moon, since it's easy to locate, in the 35mm Ultrascopic it looked crisp, clear and sharp with no color on the limb. I then bumped up to the 20mm, and the same story. The 5.2mm was noticeably dimmed, and just a bit more mushy with maybe a thin line of color on the limb, but I had to really look to see it.

Next up was Jupiter (easy to find, again). With the 35mm, it came to sharp focus, with banding apparent but difficult to see. Four pinpoint moons stood out around the disc clearly. I jumped right to the 5.2mm and waited for another hole in the clouds, then relined up Jupiter. I was impressed. Just short of sharp focus, banding was very clear with a hint of festoons. No GRS, guess it was turned away.

Now, I tried to do a quick star test. As I said, I am far more amateur than probably anyone here, and I can't estimate OC/UC by star test. But it wouldn't have mattered, because every time I got a star and defocused, by the time I went to the other side of focus it had disappeared behind clouds. I can say the rings seemed perfectly round and concentric during the brief seconds I could see them.

I tried again Saturday night. Fewer clouds. But the results were similar except the atmosphere was roiling. I keep the scope in the unheated garage, and let it sit outside for over an hour before use, but the limb of the moon looked like boiling water, and I couldn't see the inside rings of the star test because of the turbulence.

Of course last night was crystal clear, but I had to be in bed by 8pm because I had to be up at 3am for work.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 09:26 AM

Was it worth 300? I'll give you 300 for it now. Unless the unit is trashed and nothing works, it was a very, very good deal!!


I strongly disagree!! It was a SCREAMING IN PUBLIC GREAT deal!!!!

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 02:51 PM

I bought that same setup here in California back in 2007 for $1000 and thought that was a great deal. I agree $300 is an absolute steal. I was happy with that as my primary refractor for many years and it won't embarrass itself around spendier glass. The 6x30 finder is also very very nice.

Definitely worth getting some good eyepieces for the scope. Actually, selling the ones it came with probably gets you back half of what you paid for it :)

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 03:10 PM

God dropped a peach on your lap, my friend. What a steal! :waytogo:

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 04:49 PM

I put a set of KB Systems legs on my green GP. Went with the same legs as furnished with the TV Gibraltar rig. They significantly steadied the mount and raised it to a much more comfortable height. Looks pretty good too. .. just saying since you made the buy of the year.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 09:19 PM

Here is a picture of the scope.

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Posted 28 November 2013 - 09:20 PM

And the objective.

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 01:53 AM

That is gorgeous! And, for only $300??!!

You dang near stole it! :jump:

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 10:13 AM

Yes, a fantastic deal. The OTA alone would sell for about $350 on the used market.

The mount would sell about the same maybe.

The 35mm Ultrascopic would sell for about $70 by itself.

So an excellent buy, and a nice compliment to your SCT.


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