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#26 Terra Nova

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 11:22 AM

It is amazing how similar in almost every detail it is to my 3" F17 Goto, right down to the box layout and the multiple little canvas/cloth bags of desiccant. Mine has exactly the same finder. They are wonderful old scopes by the way. Modeled after Zeiss and nice collimatible objective cells. And they are HEAVY! My Goto OTA is almost as long and almost as heavy as my 4" Unitron OTA. They have the most beautiful (furniture grade) wooden cabinets that I have come across. The company goes back to the 1920s and the Emperor (Hirohito) had either a 4" or 5" model.

http://www.cloudynig...6228981/page...
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 11:29 AM

Terra, how do the Goto optics compare with your Edmund, Unitron, & Zeiss??
 

#28 Dave M

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 11:41 AM

Feel as if I have mixed a Star Wars/Trek metaphor, I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. In my defense I plead ignorance rather than deception. I will place this in the classified section ASAP, and more detailed pics as well.

Thank You all for the assistance, I would LIKE, and my son would LOVE to keep it, but my daughter NEEDS a car for college.


Didnt offend anyone. :)
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 12:10 PM

Okay! Now I am very curious having the 3" F17 myself! I think its time we ask to see the badge and lens cell of this telescope as the box plate is in Japanese characters. After pouring over a number of Goto catalogs and comparing this scope and mount to them, as well as my own, I am very much beginning to wonder if this is in fact, the 3" F17 as opposed to the 4" F18. As I have said before and shown in my own pictures, these scopes are LARGE! About the size of a 4". If the owner has not been able to read the Japanese characters and if the dimensions are not on the focuser badge and cell in English (mine are in all three places), and if he has not taken the dew cap off (it slides off) and measured the effective diameter of the objective in its cell, we may actually not be dealing with the 4 inch.

Lastly, the spec sheet that is added to the eBay ad is NOT for this model and may well have been cut and pasted from one of Provin's online pubs. I am not intimating that this was done to deceive the buyer but may well have just been ignorance mixed with good intentions on the part of the seller. Just one of the problems undertaken when buying a scope online from a seller who knows nothing or very little about what they are selling.
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 12:15 PM

Will get more details this evening, and post. You may well be correct and appear to be much more smarterer than I, so thanks for your patience.
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 12:18 PM

The Seller's eBay ad has a scanned copy of a Goto No. 204 catalog page here --> http://i.ebayimg.com...1TdDOv/$_57.JPG

The specs are 100mm / 1500mm on that page; but yes, a photo of the OTA badge is needed.
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 12:20 PM

As I stated above, this is not the spec sheet for this model.

My 3" F17 model from the 1950s is shown on page 4 (see below). The mount on the model for sale as you can see is similar. It has no cradle and it has the same long stabilizer bar, just as mine. The mount shown on the seller's paperwork does not match his mount!

http://geogdata.csun...idual_Flyers...
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 12:22 PM

the spec sheet that is added to the eBay ad is NOT for this model

OK... I missed that sentence. Gonna use my Senior Citizen Discount Card on this thread!
 

#34 Steve_M_M

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 01:03 PM

Well, those flyers you are looking at are mine that Robert scanned in years ago. A 3" Goto is obviously worth much less than a 4", (deleted as I see now). If it is a 3" scope, it's got quite the mount for it :) A picture of the lens with tell for sure (I do not believe this scope has a focuser badge)
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 01:11 PM

I will say with confidence that the mount pictured is for the Model 204.

Are the wood legs on this Goto original - even for a 3"?
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:01 PM

I was talking about pricing Clint. Not about helping out with understanding the scopes. I am always willing to help with that. People come fishing in here a lot looking for a price to put a scope up for sale. We provide our advice and bing it is on ebay.
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:10 PM

I will say with confidence that the mount pictured is for the Model 204.

Are the wood legs on this Goto original - even for a 3"?


Nope.
 

#38 Geo31

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:24 PM

I was talking about pricing Clint. Not about helping out with understanding the scopes. I am always willing to help with that. People come fishing in here a lot looking for a price to put a scope up for sale. We provide our advice and bing it is on ebay.


What's wrong with that?
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:31 PM

Maybe because I have never done that. I always do my own research. Maybe I am just to independent. That is what search engines are for. All you got to do is type in what you are looking for an bam. thousands of bits of information. Maybe I feel like we are being used.
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 02:53 PM

Another thread of interest with photos of two different 4" Goto refractors (one on the correct mount, the other not). Also see the thin walled accessory tray on the second telescope.

http://www.cloudynig...6140958/page...
 

#41 sodapopking1

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 03:18 PM

details per request
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 03:20 PM

some detailed pics

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 03:21 PM

Maybe because I have never done that. I always do my own research. Maybe I am just to independent. That is what search engines are for. All you got to do is type in what you are looking for an bam. thousands of bits of information. Maybe I feel like we are being used.


While on one hand I get that, on the other, do we want to be an un-helpful community just hoping to score a good deal because the owner of something special doesn't know and doesn't know how to find out, other than to ask us?

In the end, I think it's cool.
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 03:24 PM

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 03:32 PM

some detailed pics


Just thought I'd point out that an 80mm lens is not 4". It's 3.15" across for functional light gathering purposes (80mm / 25.4 = 3.149"). A 4" lens would have 102mm of clear aperture (102 / 25.4 = 4).
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 03:41 PM

I thought the same thing. That is an 80mm scope not a 4" scope.
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 03:59 PM

And if you read my post on the preceding page you will see that that was my supposition several hours earlier. :grin:
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 04:00 PM

Daniel, thats a magnificent 80mm aperture, f15 classic telescope. Any GOTO telescope is very collectible and great to use. Thankyou for showing it here and I wish you the best with your sale. Mark (Australia)
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 04:00 PM

I thought the same thing. That is an 80mm scope not a 4" scope.


And thus, I should think, is dramatically over-priced at this point.
 

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 04:02 PM

You have a very lovely 3" Goto refractor, just as I suspected earlier.
 


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