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#26 Chuck Hards

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 08:42 AM

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 08:44 AM

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 08:55 AM

Let me know if you want to see photos of particular details or processes and I'll be happy to get them posted.

 

I'm pretty happy with the results.  My intention wasn't to bring them back to brand-new condition, but close.  There is some brassing on some plated parts, some nicks.  I haven't re-plated anything and probably won't.  A few minor flaws that resulted from prior use lend character to the instruments.  Much of the original hardware was cleaned-up and re-used.  But all-in-all, I think they are a vast improvement over the condition I received them in.  Now I just need some clear skies on my days off to get them under the stars!

 

The box restorations were almost as interesting as the telescopes.  Stay tuned for pics of that process.  

 

I should have pics of the twins side-by-side in a matter of days.

 

Comments and criticisms welcome.


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Posted 20 February 2015 - 09:21 AM

  But all-in-all, I think they are a vast improvement over the condition I received them in.  Now I just need some clear skies on my days off to get them under the stars!

 

 

Oh how Modest you are ..... they / it , are / is , absolutely stunning  :waytogo: :applause: 

 

:hmm:  Chuck , you must not be a big fan of Aircraft Remover ?



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 09:48 AM

Really nice, Chuck.  Thanks for posting and all the photos.



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 09:58 AM

 

  But all-in-all, I think they are a vast improvement over the condition I received them in.  Now I just need some clear skies on my days off to get them under the stars!

 

 

Oh how Modest you are ..... they / it , are / is , absolutely stunning  :waytogo: :applause:

 

:hmm:  Chuck , you must not be a big fan of Aircraft Remover ?

 

 

It's good stuff.  But the acetone is essentially free, and works pretty well on these old scopes.  They didn't use the best paint in the world back then.  One minute soaking in acetone and the paint practically falls off.  You just need the wire brush to get into the corners once in a while.

 

Thanks for the kind words!  I gave Charlie a sneak peek the other day, and he said they looked brand-new-right out of the box!


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Posted 20 February 2015 - 09:59 AM

Really nice, Chuck.  Thanks for posting and all the photos.

 

Thanks!  More photos to come.



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 10:20 AM

Great work Chuck. They look EXACTLY like my 1965 Mayflower #814 (also APL) looked when it was brand new! They are wonderful little telescopes. Mine has been a mainstay for 50 years this coming October. But with years of use, mine has undergone a number of transformations (the Vixen finder shoe and the 1.25" visual back through option, the rings, rail, mount and tripod out of necessity- the old one simply wore out through years of use). This has, without a doubt been, overall my most used telescope during my 50 years in this hobby. Talk About a reliable grab and go, these scopes are it!

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 10:46 AM

Terra, your Mayflower looks like a clone of what I call "Style B" of my SM twins.   On "Style A", the one seen in the pics so-far in this thread, the finder mounts on the focuser body.  On Style B, the finder mounts on the main tube, and the finder bracket mounting screws serve double-duty, in that they also help secure the focuser to the tube.

 

Here's a pic of Style B, prior to restoration:

 

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Style A, after restoration:

 

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 10:51 AM

Yep, mine was Style B. I have an old color picture I took of mine right after I got it. Its rather faded after nearly 50 years but here it is. The black thing on one leg is an Edmund D-cell battery powered grain of wheat tray light. I repaired the original picture in Photoshop (below).

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 10:55 AM

In this thread, I will examine the differences between Style A and Style B, and present my case for which one I think is the earlier model.    There are minor differences on the OTA, mount, as well as tripod legs.



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 11:02 AM

Here's another shot.  It's similar to ones already posted but I like it because of the jet high in the background.  smile.gif

 

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 11:08 AM

Wow! Very nice work Chuck! Restoring these classics is a great accomplishment.

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 11:26 AM

Wonderful work, Chuck! I love a good resurrection story. What beautiful scopes!

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 11:50 AM

Again, what a fine looking scope!  I'd almost hate to take it out of the box for fear of a scratch.

 

My APL Shrine Manon is gloss black with a gray hammertone finish - model B and it has a gold JTII sticker on it.  It's a fine performer and it now sits on a Pentax J-60 mount.   

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 12:14 PM

Thanks for the kind words, everyone!

 

Charlie, that's a Style A in my nomenclature, and I believe to be an earlier model than either of mine.  Very nice.  I can't quite make out the maker's mark.  Is it also APL?

 

I have a problem now.  I told my wife that I was going to sell one of them to offset project costs.  Think she'll forget?  :lol:



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 12:24 PM

Yes, style A, not B and it is an APL.

 

Just tell your wife they are twins and it wouldn't be fair to split them up.


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Posted 20 February 2015 - 12:47 PM

Very nice and informative Chuck.   Love these posts on restoring classics.



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 01:32 PM

Chuck, I can't even come up with anything to say. Just a beautiful job!  :jawdrop:



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 01:35 PM

First to be restored would be the legs.  One set was in much better shape, cosmetically, than the other, but closeup inspection revealed lots of nicks and stains, as well as much rust and discolored, chipped paint and rust on the metal pieces.  Both sets of leg assemblies would be completely refinished.
 
This wouldn’t do, at all.
 
All of the leg tips, on both sets, were missing.  Only the steel pins remained.
 
 

Chuck, they may not be missing. I got mine brand new and it never had anything over those ~1/4" diameter metal rods set in holes on the ends of the legs. They (the metal rods) were chamfered and just painted black.



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 02:08 PM

Well, it's too late now, I made nice little rubber tips for them.  Pics tonight.  :)



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Posted 20 February 2015 - 02:21 PM

Your tips look great I might add. When I first got my Mayflower, my mom objected to the metal rod tripod tips for fear they would scratch her floor. My solution was to put pencil erasers on them. They fit perfectly. :lol:
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Posted 20 February 2015 - 03:17 PM

pencil erasers... fit perfectly. 

 

Terra, you fixed that longstanding problem 50 years ago?! I'm off to the drug store to buy pencil erasers. How great to have those first-day pix of your forever scope. 

 

Chuck, your work is beautiful. You make it look easy, or at least a lot less mysterious. Maybe I'll try restoring a scope someday sooner than I'd have guessed. 

 

Actionhac, still love the view from your yard, and still threatening to move in next door; but, Chuck, those mountains! I've got a lot of real estate to buy! I'm moving in next door to you, too! 


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Posted 20 February 2015 - 04:07 PM

Excellent project. Back in the day I never heard of or saw a Shrine Manon advertised. How were they marketed and sold ie mail order or dept stores? I've been told their Alt/Az mount was among the best in its time. Nice job Chuck.

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Posted 20 February 2015 - 05:10 PM

Yes, style A, not B and it is an APL.

 

Just tell your wife they are twins and it wouldn't be fair to split them up.

 

 

Since they’re twins, does she have to know there’s more than one of them?




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