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#3951 jcruse64

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 05:31 PM

I was lucky enough to get the Vixen 80mm that was being sold in the Classifieds, and it arrived yesterday, so I tried to find something in my collection to mount it on, but none of the 3 mounts I have for exisiting OTA's will take the tube rings that came with the scope. It should, however, mount just as well to my homemade pipe mount as my Celestron ST-80 does, so we'll give that a whirl next.

 

I picked up one of the green Vixen alt/az mount/tripods off here last year from a member on here (think it was from a package the seller had bought from Rolo), and have been using it for the neat little 60x1000 Hino Mizar I got from Marc Andre, and that has turned into a sweet combo. I've had the OTA rotated in the rings though, because the OTA has those bolts coming from the underside to allow it to clamp into its original saddle mount. Makes it a little "off" to handle the focuser. While I had it off to see if the 80mm Vixen would fit on the green mount, I took the focuser off the Hino OTA, and got those protruding mount bolts out, and reassembled. Now we are all straight! Also, you can't (or at least I'm not smart enough to see how) point the OTA very high in altitude, because the stubby, slo-mo azimuth handle limits travel. So I swapped to the flex handle off another, unused GEM I have sitting around. Much better! Early this year, I won an eBay bid on a box of miscellaneous astro stuff that included a glass solar filter that fits great on this little Hino, and even with the stock .965 EP's, this thing has become a great solar scope, and now is even more fun to use. Not a fan of these EP's for regular night viewing, but I got great views of Saturn with it a week or so ago.


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Posted 29 September 2018 - 10:15 PM

Two nights of clear skies...boy it's nice because it's been nothing but rain for weeks. Anyway, took out the Bausch & Lomb/Dynamax 6 for a little while. Took one image of Saturn and one of Mars. Saturn came out pretty decent (at 23 degrees above the horizon), but Mars did not. I used a ZWO 178MM camera. This was imaged at f/10 (no barlow) and processed in Autostakkert and Registax. The weather is a comfortable in the 50s, but the bugs are still bothersome so I wrapped up early. 

 

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 10:41 PM

I had a Vixen shoot-out tonight in muggy Swamp air with seeing that ranged from 5 to 7.  My VMC200L versus my FL80S on Saturn, Mars, and a multitude of DSOs.  Both scopes wowed me for different reasons.  

 

I verified the RKE difference.  In the CAT, the area of edge distortion is less than half the size of the APO -- which is what I've seen in my other scopes, too.

 

As expected, the 8" mirror shows more faint stars in the field than the 80mm fluorite; but, on every object, the APO's views are sharper, and the stars are tinier.  

 

This VMC is what I had hoped the Dynamax 8 would be.  The APO is what every owner said it is.  I'm really liking these Vixen scopes & mounts!

 

BIF:  I saw at least a dozen open clusters that I don't recall seeing before.  I'll have to break out the charts to get the names & info.  It was fun to use the VMC to find these, then see if the much smaller APO could show them, too.


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Posted 29 September 2018 - 11:20 PM

Terry-

 

Beautiful Saturn shot!

 

You are changing my mind about Dynamax SCTs. I purchased a rough 6 inch version many years back with poor optics. To be fair, though, the telescope was on its last legs...

Steve


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 06:11 PM

Thanks Steve (and everybody else for the "likes")! I have the B&L 6000, but I really like the paint scheme of the Dynamax 6 version. It's turned out to be a much better scope than I anticipated. If the weather holds I'm going to try Saturn again. I have the scope setup right now. We'll see! V/R Terry

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 05:27 AM

Finally! Saturday night we had a spell of stable air, so I got out the Vixen 80L and aimed it at Mars. And I finally got a pretty good view! Vague gray markings, and a polar cap that just jumped out at me. I've been waiting all summer for this night, and I am glad I got to see Mars before the show is over. I spent so long on Mars that the rising moon washed out the sky before I got to look at anything else, but it was worth the wait.grin.gif


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Posted 01 October 2018 - 10:39 AM

My just acquired LX200 classic showed Mars with faint gray marking last night and the Trapezium this morning was SIX stars not the usual four.Feeling very good about this Meade.
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Posted 02 October 2018 - 09:39 AM

I had two hours of FUN last night with the VMC200L & my JaegerMeister 4 (Jaegers 4" F5 RFT) -- talk about an odd couple!  Used the Big CAT for Saturn & Mars, and the RFT for DSOs -- got a lot of exercise bouncing between them.  Started right before sunset with Saturn, and got tremendous views at 333x -- 4 belts with very subtle colors, and Titan had a yellowish hue that I haven't seen before.  But Mars (as usual) stole the show.  About an hour before it crosses the meridian, it skims the treetops, so it pops in & out of view -- got some crazy effects from those occultations!  Once clear, the polar cap was a brilliant white -- almost flashing.  Would've been a good time to image or sketch, but on a work night, it's all I can do to get in a view or two.

 

I need to DPAC my Jaegers lens.  It's very good for what I intended -- low power star sweeping.  Used the vintage 2" UO ER30 for 17x, but bumped that up to 62x with a 1.25" RKE8 for a bunch of objects, including M31.  I waited impatiently for my Heraldess of Fall to clear the trees, and she was worth it.


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Posted 02 October 2018 - 06:50 PM

Nice Saturn image !!


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Posted 02 October 2018 - 09:02 PM

Skies tonight were near planetary perfect -- calm & clear, stars with a lazy twinkle.  My last night for a while with the VMC200L -- gotta give the others their sky time.  NOT my last night with the JaegerMeister.  This RFT eats up winter skies.

 

Mars!  Big, bright, deep salmon, streaked with gray markings -- but no canals.  Wish I'd had this Big CAT at opposition.

 

Large Newt owners may not be impressed, but I've used small fracs most of my life, and to look straight at The Ring, and see a donut, or at M13, and see stars breaking out at the core... magic to me.

 

Had the 2" ER30 in the Jaegers, and it was so easy to sweep from the tip of Delphinus to M15.  I bet a novice could do it, and pick out the tiny fuzz ball.  Of course, the 8" at 100x exploded the globular, and its outskirts sparkled -- show off!


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 08:21 AM

Terry, your imaging is always great.  But what really gets me are your posts made with a Bausch & Lomb/Dynamax 6, given all the scorn we heap on the DX8, and my own experiences with that CAT.  Makes me wonder:  Did B&L add some of their people to the Criterion shop?  Or, did you get that 1 / 1000 very good sample?  I doubt that I could get a Saturn image anywhere near the quality of yours from my C5, but I'm hoping to post some decent globular & nebula images from that scope -- if we get a "normal" Winter at The Swamp!!


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 11:07 AM

Perhaps the 6 corrector plates wete sourced from a different vendor or made by someone who cared?

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Posted 03 October 2018 - 07:11 PM

Looked at M8 with the 10" Starfinder. Mount is being a pain in the you-know-what and it's cloudy, so I didn't get to see anything else.


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Posted 03 October 2018 - 09:05 PM

I hope Tampa survives the Hickocane...  no observing tonight, we're packed and ready for a week in Florida, and I have my vintage Selsi 20x60 binos & my 1958 Questar ready to go.  That shoebox case has all the original gear + 6 eyepieces, and there's still room to spare.  There are 5 of us fleeing The Swamp, and 15 of Debra's Aunts, Uncles, & cousins from England already settled in down there, and our Daughter who's a Tampa resident -- decent sized crowd for a star party or two.  Now, if the weather will cooperate...


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:25 AM

I hope Tampa survives the Hickocane...  no observing tonight, we're packed and ready for a week in Florida, and I have my vintage Selsi 20x60 binos & my 1958 Questar ready to go.  That shoebox case has all the original gear + 6 eyepieces, and there's still room to spare.  There are 5 of us fleeing The Swamp, and 15 of Debra's Aunts, Uncles, & cousins from England already settled in down there, and our Daughter who's a Tampa resident -- decent sized crowd for a star party or two.  Now, if the weather will cooperate...

Questars are the ultimate apo travelscopes!


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 12:56 PM

And they're purdee, too!


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 01:19 PM

A start with a failure yesterday, then some persistence led to a heart and soul-warming stargazing session...

 

After a busy day including travelling to my South NJ house, I was rewarded with some clear skies, finally. I decided to go easy as I was a bit tired, and use the Swift 831, as it sets up quickly. High humidity as usual in the late summer-early fall, as the property is waterfront by a lagoon. I took a different approach this time, and instead of observing planned targets, I just looked up to find the darkest section of the sky within easy reach, and used binoculars to verify if any odd blotch, asterism or cluster triggered my curiosity. I saw plenty of interesting features between Cassiopeia and Perseus, and that's where I decided to hop, from Perseus up and North to a couple blotches in binocular sight.

 

However, as I got started with a polar alignment, I realized there was somethig wrong with the finder, which I had previously found to be excellent.... the front lens was already all fogged up, just 10 minutes into the session! The telescope main lens was just fine. I guess the lack of a dew shield for the finder was the problem, as I never had such issue with any other scope/finder in similar humid conditions. I tried to just use a Kellner 40mm eyepiece as finder, but I quickly realized it was too hard to get oriented. It as disappointing to be let down by my beloved Swift 831, but at least building a plastic sheet dew shield to slip in should be easy.

 

So much for an easy and relaxing session... but I did not want to give up, especially given the rarity of clear skies this summer. So, inside I took the Swift 831 and outside the sandcast C8 went.....

 

Half an hour later, I started to get my reward and finally I had the Heart and the Soul nebulas in sight of the viewfinder, aka IC1805 and IC1848. Here is how they somewhat looked to me, with much fewer background stars of course but with some clearly visible nebulosity. Two nice groups of clusters with faint gray nebulosity along threads of stars, and dark areas in between. Both of them nicely framed within a K40mm eyepiece:

 

http://www.atlasofth...lae/ic1805.html

 

Soul nebula: a nebula filter did not help and I took it off immediately. The overall structure seemed to my eyes a three-pronged structure. 

 

Heart nebula: a third nebula nearby, NGC896, was probably included in my view. To my eye the main star cluster (IC1805 itself) seemed the head of a butterfly body, with a trail of stars makig the body itself and nebulosty on either side somewhat similar to wings. hmm.gif

 

In summary:

- I started to become familar with a section of the sky new to me, and full of interesting things. 

- I hope to be able to soon check the same structures and more with my 6" newtonian, for comparison with the C8.

- I have to confess that this is the first time that I get enthusiastic using the C8. Until now its poor ergonomics (for me), difficulties in pointing it to a target given the short OTA, and high power views obviously not superlative,  led to mediocre sessions and some frustration. Yesterday it shined with great low power DSO views, and it seems I am finally getting more accustomed to its quirks. I also took the opportunity to further tweak the collimation, on Polaris and with a 9mm OR. Probably a SCT expert can do much better but as I see it, the central obstruction off focus is perfectly centered and the rings are concentric and not crooked. 

- Best overall view of the three objects was with a UO 40mm K circle-A, better than a Celestron 40mmK circle-T for having darker background bringing out the stars better. Best individual structure views with a circle-T UO super-Erfle 20mm MC.

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 01:46 PM

If you have not yet explored M42 and the other treats in Orion’s sword with your C8, just wait! It’ Knock your socks off! You’re in for a real Celestially delighting evening!


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:16 PM

My little Meade 2045 4 inch SCT continues to amaze me whenever I use it.

 

I took the little powerhouse out of my warm house late last evening for a quick look at Orion. Before the telescope had even begun to cool down, I saw 4 pinpoint, picture-perfect stars in the Trapezium. Hmmm...

 

Emboldened, I swing the unit to Eta Orionis, a fairly close pair that I had been planning to try with one of my optically perfect achromats. I put in my favorite eyepiece, an 8 mm Brandon, and at the resulting 125 power saw a nicely resolved pair of stars. The view reminded me of one-half of the double double. 

 

I grabbed my 2X Barlow for 250X and now saw dark sky between the two components separated by a scant 1.8 arcseconds.

 

While well within the theoretical resolving power of a 4 inch telescope, what struck about the view of Eta Orionis through the Meade was how clean everything looked. The sky was black and there was no extra junk or flare in the star images, making for a lovely view. Other than thicker and more prominent first diffraction rings due to the SCT's central obstruction, I could have been looking through a refractor.

 

Have others had equally wonderful views through their Meade 2045 telescopes?

 

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:41 PM

DMala,  I have had almost a similar problem with the 40mm finder that comes on my Sears 6339a.  It needs a dew shield.  What I found, that a 2" diameter aluminum tube fits perfectly over the lens cell.

 

I couldn't find a pic of the Sears with it's finder with the longer dewshield, but this is a pic of a Sears finder on my Unitron

 

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 07:50 PM

Jupiter, Saturn, Mars!  in my 1958 Hot Rod...

 

The Stewarts and the Englishters (Andy Griffith fans know the reference) have landed.  No lie, I unpacked my Questar, opened the case so it could adapt to the heat after 8+ hours in a cold car, and let it stabilize while we unloaded & unpacked.  Maybe 45 minutes later, I was observing a low & jerky Jupiter, then a splendid Saturn, and finally a majestic Mars (yes, I majored in alliteration!) in 8+ seeing; cool Atlantic breeze at my back, low humidity, clear & calm skies.  Meanwhile, back at The Swamp...

 

Temperature  88°F (31°C)

Humidity 50%
Wind Speed N 3 mph
Dewpoint 67°F (19°C)
Heat Index 91°F (33°C)

 

Unfortunately, my pocket-size Off! was no match for these Florida skeeters!  Back indoors, and checking the Yellow Pages for the nearest blood bank -- for a withdrawal.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 08:20 PM

Jupiter, Saturn, Mars!  in my 1958 Hot Rod...

 

The Stewarts and the Englishters (Andy Griffith fans know the reference) have landed.  No lie, I unpacked my Questar, opened the case so it could adapt to the heat after 8+ hours in a cold car, and let it stabilize while we unloaded & unpacked.  Maybe 45 minutes later, I was observing a low & jerky Jupiter, then a splendid Saturn, and finally a majestic Mars (yes, I majored in alliteration!) in 8+ seeing; cool Atlantic breeze at my back, low humidity, clear & calm skies.  Meanwhile, back at The Swamp...

 

Temperature  88°F (31°C)

Humidity 50%
Wind Speed N 3 mph
Dewpoint 67°F (19°C)
Heat Index 91°F (33°C)

 

Unfortunately, my pocket-size Off! was no match for these Florida skeeters!  Back indoors, and checking the Yellow Pages for the nearest blood bank -- for a withdrawal.

Whats this we up north are hearing about these new  super sized skeeters down there?

I thought they might be egg-zageratin  a bit til  I saw them on the news....they looked really big on the film clip

are they really double sized relentless biters? 

 

Eat some garlic   wear long sleaves .socks. pants at night   light yellow bug candles  cigar something? Keep on keepin on


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:36 PM

Perhaps you could send some garlic.....



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 03:23 PM

Well, Bob, you have steady skies and more skeeters than you can shake a stick at. Over here, because there is no standing water nearby, I have virtually no skeeters, but unsteady skies. Seems ya just can't have it all!


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Posted 06 October 2018 - 03:01 AM

I started with the double double and the Brandon shows the even brightness pair as two touching balls at 30x which split cleanly at 50x.  At 80x both pairs were cleanly split.  Compared my 5mm LV and 5mm .965 multicoated Tani ortho and the little one came out ahead. This is due in large part to my astigmatism - the minimal eye relief forces me to stay on axis, while the lv allows some drifting, but there also seems to be less scatter.

 

M57 shows more complexity than through the C80, with the inside of the oval clearly defined and some structure seen at one end.

 

M32 is visible in the C80, but the Brandon brought out M110 and the main dust lane in M31.

 

M45 is nicely framed in the 4+ degree field produced by the 40mm Optiluxe but the huge exit pupil washes out the nebulosity.

 

I finally found M33 as a misshapen smudge, then tried and failed to find M74.

 

M77 showed some spiral structure at 80x through the 8mm LVW, and I could pick out the tiny, faint smear of NGC 1055 when slowly panning.

 

M34 will be over the trees in a little while.


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