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[Bomber Bob]

The latest update to the Registry of Vintage Japanese Telescopes is here --> https://groups.yahoo... Telescopes.xls

 

Thanks to Chuck Hards, the Refractor tab has over 500 entries!

 

The file is a standard & simple Excel spreadsheet.  If you have trouble downloading or using it, send me a PM.

 

If you see an entry that is wrong, please let me know.

[Chuck Hards]

Looks great!

 

PM sent on a change of ownership. 

[Bomber Bob]

Got it Chuck, thanks!

 

Y'all keep 'em coming - we'll make room!

[deepwoods1]

Forgive my potential ignorance, but when I click on the link it doesn't show me anything but an inmate of an eyepiece tray. Do I have to join the group to see the information? Thanks.....

[Terra Nova]

Hi-Score model numbers <450 aren't made by Goto. The Goto Hy-Score models all have model numbers in the 450s.

You don't have my Goto Hy-Score #451 60mmx900mm (gray alt-az and wood tripod) 1957, wood/wood cabinet, complete (same as Goto model 104-B)

You don't have my #454 (76mm x 1300mm) (no mount or tripod) 1950s, wood/wood cabinet (same as model Goto 106)

You don't have my Swift #839 (60028), 1960, gem, circles, wood tripod, wood/wood cabinet complete.

You don't my Unitrons 62mm 114 (alt-az) 1955, 60mm 114 alt-az 1967, 128 gem late 50s, 140 alt-az 1958, 142 gem late 1950s, 152 gem late 1950, all with wood tripods, wood/wood cabinets

Are you doing Celestron Vixens? I have a ~30y.o. Blacktube Firstscope 80, alt-az, wood tripod, cardboard/styrofoam box, complete set

I also have an approximately 30 y.o. Celestron (by Vixen) C4.5 Newtonian reflector on the standard Polaris GEM.

The cabinet on my Mayflower 814 is wood/wood, (Original owner).

Monolux 4380 is white tube with black trim, gray wrinkle GEM

Are you doing Japanese reflectors?

Edited by terraclarke, 14 February 2016 - 10:43 PM.

[madeline]

Forgive my potential ignorance, but when I click on the link it doesn't show me anything but an inmate of an eyepiece tray. Do I have to join the group to see the information? Thanks.....

Same thing happens to me.

[starman876]

wow, a website where Messages are not moderated. How interesting

[starman876]

 

Forgive my potential ignorance, but when I click on the link it doesn't show me anything but an inmate of an eyepiece tray. Do I have to join the group to see the information? Thanks.....

Same thing happens to me.

 

it is part of Yahoo user groups.  If you have a yahoo sign on you can join the group.

[DreamWeaver]

 

 

Thanks to Chuck Hards, the Refractor tab has over 500 entries!

 

 

How do you fit all those in your basement Chuck?  

[Chuck Hards]

 

 

 

Thanks to Chuck Hards, the Refractor tab has over 500 entries!

 

 

How do you fit all those in your basement Chuck?  

 

 

Neatly stacked.  

[starman876]

 

 

 

 

Thanks to Chuck Hards, the Refractor tab has over 500 entries!

 

 

How do you fit all those in your basement Chuck?  

 

 

Neatly stacked.  

 

I think Chuck has them hidden from view behind a secret panel

[Chuck Hards]

Two rooms.  The big stuff is in the garage.

[Bomber Bob]

Terra, all scope types are welcome - there are separate tabs for refractors, reflectors, and CATs.

 

There's been some back & forth on the Goto / Hy-Score scopes.  Whatever the consensus is, I'll go with it.

 

Also, I favor maintaining the existing registries like Cave, Swift, & Unitron.  These brand specific lists can go into more detail, and they're important cross references.

[Terra Nova]

Hi JW, if you go to Robert Provin's site and check out the three SE Laszlo catalogs (1957, 1958, and an undated- presumably early 1960s) and the three or four Goto catalogs of the same period, the distinction is quite clear. There are branded Hy-Score scopes (such as the 417 and 418) and then there are those branded Hy-Score Goto (such as the 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, and 456). (In addition, there is a 50mm alt-az model numbered 411 but also numbered 457). These same scopes exist in the Goto catalogs but are given with numbers in the low 100s. On the other hand, those Hy-Score scopes without the additional Goto appellation and bearing numbers such as 417 and 418 are not shown in any of the Goto catalogs. In the 1960s Laszlo catalog, there are fewer telescope offerings and the Goto scopes are simply called Goto but retain the Hy-Score Goto model numbers (451 and 452).

I also have an approximately 30 y.o. Celestron (by Vixen) C4.5 Newtonian reflector on the standard Polaris GEM.

[Bomber Bob]

So, what company made these:

 

Hy-Score

Goto

Hy-Score / Goto - why the combined brand?

 

I can understand the confusion.  Is this like the Hino / Mizar?

[Terra Nova]

I don't know JW. But if they were made by Goto, then why the distinction? Why not put the name Goto on them like the others? I have never seen one of the Hy-Score 'no Goto' scopes to see if there is a maker's mark of some kind on them, but they seem to share no resemblence to the Goto line and the eyepieces/accessories are different. If you look at the Laszlo catalog tho, you see that they branded all sorts of optics as Hy-score, binoculars, rifle scopes, etc. and they are quite quick to point out those telescopes that are Goto. I believe Hi-Score was a Laszlo trademark and SE Laszlo marketed optics from different makers.

There is a large and well known line of air rifles and air pistols branded as Hy-Score and this I think provides the clue. Check out this reference. It sheds light along the same beam as I was traveling.

http://bluebookofgun...RMS_CORPORATION

Edited by terraclarke, 15 February 2016 - 08:19 AM.

[catboat]

What Terra said  -- at least that’s the same conclusion I reached.  Hy-Score was a house brand for several product lines.  The Hy-Score/Goto telescopes were made by Goto.  But the ones marked only “Hy-Score” don’t resemble the Goto models and presumably were sourced from a different maker.  

[Terra Nova]

Yep! It is all explained in that link I posted. Even why Hy-Score was selected as a name! It had to to with target shooting- 'high score', the original Hy-Score products were made right here in the USA by Steve Laszlo! They were pellet guns!!

[CharlieB]

My Hy-Score 457 (50/500) is most certainly an Astro Optical scope - identical to the Micronta of the same period.

[Bomber Bob]

Terra, I added your scopes to the Registry.

 

Yes!  Celestron imports count - any 30+ year old Japan made telescope counts.

 

The more details, the better.

 

If you don't want to join the Yahoo! Classic Telescopes group, but want a copy of the Registry, PM me with your email address, and I'll send you the file.

[Terra Nova]

Thanks JW. I'm in the Yahoo Classics group (and several other Yahoo astronomy groups), actually for about as long as I have been in this forum. Also a member of Astronomy Connect prettymuch since it started. Alas, mostly I lurk there, and contribute here. I hate spending too much time online.

Edited by terraclarke, 15 February 2016 - 09:15 PM.

[Terra Nova]

Looks like the registry in the files on yahoo is still the unupdated version as per 14 February 2016.

[Bomber Bob]

I'll check it out.  I delete the previous version from the site before uploading the current, but I may have grabbed the wrong file.

 

Thanks for the heads up.  The updated file is there now.  I noticed that my browser adds a _ at the start of the file name... that's strange.

Edited by Bomber Bob, 16 February 2016 - 09:41 PM.

[roscoe]

so...I go to the link, I get a page with a tray of EP's at the top, and a chart showing me the posts-per-month.

and there we stop.  How do I get past that page?

[Chuck Hards]

Click on "New file uploaded to classictelescopes"

 

Then click on "You can access this file at............."

 

That takes you to the link to download the xls. file