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#1 BillP

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Posted 06 March 2016 - 07:39 PM

The Space Walker 3D Binoculars were a complete joy to use and as effortless as any binocular. There was no adjusting needed for the 3D effects as it is built into the product with no adjustment capability for the user. As a result, these 3D binoculars were intuitive and effortless, providing bright, sharp, and nicely contrasted astronomical views with very pronounced levels of depth.

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 10:15 AM

I wonder what the expected price point on these is going to be.



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Posted 07 March 2016 - 11:23 AM

I wonder as well (price point).  Here in Washington DC's light polluted skies....I probably would need dark sky's to appreciate these.

 

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Posted 07 March 2016 - 11:37 AM

I live in the suburbs of DC and had a blast with them :-)



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Posted 09 March 2016 - 08:00 AM

As I understand it they are expecting a $300 range retail

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Posted 09 March 2016 - 01:29 PM

Thanks for the article.  These 3D binos look exciting and fun to use.  I assume the arrays are on the eyepieces like similar to LOA 21-3D.  Did Russ mention the final version will have 3 arrays or 5 like LOA 3D?



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Posted 09 March 2016 - 02:37 PM

I saw 3 arrays.  I presume he will keep 3 as it worked quite well.



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Posted 09 March 2016 - 11:41 PM

You said you used them on the moon too, but I didn't see in your review how that looked through these binocs?

Also, did you try them in the daytime for terrestrial targets??

 

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Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:15 PM

How is the "3-D" effect achieved?  Is it of any real value to the observer or is it just an entertaining illusion?



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Posted 11 March 2016 - 08:39 AM

I thought engaging in a hobby was a form of entertainment?

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Posted 11 March 2016 - 10:13 AM

Yes, I'm also interested in how the 3D effect is achieved.  Is AMD varied across the FOV?  Maybe not so good if viewing double stars or the Moon.  Or is there a variation in depth of focus?  If so, that might not be good for those who already have problems focusing for field curvature.  What exactly is going on here?

 

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Posted 17 March 2016 - 09:32 PM

How is the 3D achieved?  Through parallax.  Your natural vision shows you 3D via the parallax produced by the separation of your two eyes.  But since things are so far away in astronomy, the eye separation is insufficient to produce enough parallax of the image for your brain to translate it into 3D.  The array elements in the LOA produce a parallax offset that is great enough for your brain to interpret as parallax and then trigger the 3D translation.  So it is *simulated* parallax. 

 

Now is this entertaining?  Well, it is as or more entertaining as the artificial positional relationships shown in wide field eyepieces.  Yes, when the off-axis has Rectilinear Distortion, as all wide fields do, then angles become incorrect and the relative position of stars to each other become incorrect and not actual.  So the price one pays for a wide field, is an incorrect and distorted view.  Entertaining?  Yes wide fields are!  The 3D relationships in this view are also simulated rather than actual. Is it entertaining?  Actually I would say more awesome than entertaining. 

 

This really is an interesting point though, as when we look at any FOV, we are looking at multiple objects at all different distances away, so within a single FOV some of the things we are looking at may be their view from hundreds of years ago, and others the view from thousands of years ago.  So looking at a FOV of stars is about as correct temporally as a photo of a family where we would paste a picture of the children when they were older than the picture of the parents.  So nothing in the FOV is really temporally correct or positionally correct if the AFOV is wider than 58 degrees, colors and brightnesses are not correct due to interstellar dust.  So really, just the fact that the object is what it is is about the only thing correct about the view. 


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Posted 19 March 2016 - 11:56 AM

Is the amount of eye relief adequate for users with eye glasses? I usually look for 17mm minimum when shopping for eyepieces.

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Posted 19 March 2016 - 08:05 PM

Unfortunately I forgot to put on some reading glasses to see if I could still see the entire FOV.  It felt generous though.  I no longer have the prototypes so will have to wait until I buy a production version.



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Posted 20 March 2016 - 09:04 AM

Totally drooling over this toy...

 

Can these attach to a tripod?  (I know you don't need it for stability, but to share views with total newbies that could be helpful.)



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Posted 16 June 2016 - 03:06 PM

Has anyone heard back from 3D Astronomy on whether or not these binoculars are available for general sale?



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Posted 20 June 2016 - 11:19 PM

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 11:19 PM

They are shipping out soon.

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Posted 02 July 2016 - 08:10 AM

We shipped 20 Space Walkers this week. Some slots are available. 

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 10:41 PM

Mine arrived today. Look forward to using them this week under southern skies.

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Posted 06 July 2016 - 06:24 PM

Got it yesterday. Kind of lousy seeing last night, even by New Jersey standards, so I wasn't expecting much, and did not get much......until, I looked up at Lyra, and there was Vega, the gem, and, in the same field of view, my old friend(s) epsilon Lyra, just begging for attention, floating effortlessly,"in front of" Vega....made my day/night!! All I got to say is "cool beans!!! Thanks, Russ!

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Posted 24 August 2016 - 09:40 PM

I find it difficult to understand why any person interested in exploring the universe and the science behind it would have any use for a device that generates artificial 3D effects.  You might as well watch cartoons.

Dave...



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Posted 25 August 2016 - 04:20 AM

Dave,

 

It is a new perspective on seeing objects, that gives you a perception of depth and relays the universe in a 3D fashion, as it exists (insofar as we understand it!)...

 

It is not meant for everybody to like...



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Posted 25 August 2016 - 07:57 AM

I find it difficult to understand why any person interested in exploring the universe and the science behind it would have any use for a device that generates artificial 3D effects.  You might as well watch cartoons.

Dave...

 

 

I find it difficult to understand why any person interested in exploring the universe and the science behind it would devote any significant amount of their astronomy time to visual observing.  One might as well watch the Kardashians. :lol:


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Posted 25 August 2016 - 08:51 AM

Only if I can watch the Kardashians in 3D.

 

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