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#1 Starman1

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Posted 13 April 2016 - 11:44 PM

Just heard tonight that the US is not getting any 17.5 Baader Morpheus eyepieces in until July.



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Posted 14 April 2016 - 02:58 AM

Any reason for this? 

 

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Posted 14 April 2016 - 08:48 AM

Apparently, they hit a snag in the development of that focal length when trying to have it perform just like the shorter focal lengths.

My guess is that the 17.5mm pushes the design to the absolute limit, and that vignetting or field distortion characteristics, or something else has interfered somewhere

along the way.  They probably solved the development issues months ago, but ran into production scheduling problems

when there was a delay.  Many large companies schedule their production 6 to 12 months in advance, so a delay in development

could easily have bumped production back 6 months or more.

That could easily have delayed the shipment of the product a half year or more from their original estimate of December.

At least they took the time to get it right instead of releasing something that might be embarrassing.


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Posted 14 April 2016 - 09:03 AM

Well, that might bode well for Delos 17.3 sales.  If it is indeed true that Baader is struggling with some optical issues at that focal length, I'd opt for the Delos which we can be confident is a solid performer.


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Posted 14 April 2016 - 09:39 AM

I was interested in the 17.5 but was worried also that it may be stretching the

design parameters.  At NEAF I looked at a 14 to see if I liked the build quality.

The weak eyecup was the deciding factor for me.  With 20mm eye relief I need

a substantial eyecup to help me hold the exit pupil.  I picked up a TV13E instead

with about the same total field of view as the 17.5M. 



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Posted 14 April 2016 - 12:27 PM

Who knew designing a proper rubber eyecup was such a difficult task? 


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Posted 14 April 2016 - 01:30 PM

Well, that might bode well for Delos 17.3 sales.  If it is indeed true that Baader is struggling with some optical issues at that focal length, I'd opt for the Delos which we can be confident is a solid performer.

 

17.3mm Delos is screaming for a coma corrector. Not well corrected like the LVW's in fast scopes. Great transmission and "pop" tho.....if you can ignore the coma, you'll be good to go. Then there's also the "in focus" required for the 17.3mm Delos as well, (about 1/2" IIRC).

 

My 14mm Delos has excellent correction. 


Edited by Scanning4Comets, 14 April 2016 - 01:33 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 02:02 PM

Any updates on these, Don?

:scratchhead:



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Posted 24 January 2017 - 02:57 PM

Baader's large shipment to the US, which is supposed to include the new Zooms and the 17.5 Morpheus, is due to arrive here right at the New Moon.

It would not surprise me to see a delay in the delivery of the 17.5 Morpheus, though, given the "news Note" on the Baader site:

"Morpheus 17,5mm extreme widefield eyepiece: we do apologize for the long delay since first announcing this eyepiece. The new 17.5mm Morpheus has been reworked and consists of an eight-lens construction with three ED- and one Lanthanum-lens. It is the most elaborate widefield eyepiece in our company history. The folding winged rubber eyecup has been reworked and will contain a metal thread to firmly fit onto the M43 thread - be it folded up or down. An M43 extension ring will be included to the basic Morpheus scope of supply.
With this 8mm extension the distance of the foldable, as well as the winged rubber eyecup can then be finetuned to optimum height. Also this helps to keep any smartphone holder to firmly clamp over the exiting eye-lens. In addition multiple of these M43- rings may be added to achieve the optimum distance to your camera chip for eyepiece projection.
The 17.5mm Morpheus is expected for spring 2017."

 

So, though the new Zoom may arrive, I'm skeptical the 17.5mm will.

It's now almost 2 years since they announced the eyepiece.

That's long enough for several prototypes to be rejected.


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 06:04 PM

Perhaps it will come out in July. We just don't know which July ;)



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Posted 24 January 2017 - 06:29 PM

I will get one if and when they bring it to market, (I really enjoy viewing with the Morpheus I have,) bought the Televue 17NT4 to hold me over till then.



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Posted 25 January 2017 - 01:08 PM

I just got an email today from Baader (1/25/17)

"We currently estimate that focal length 17.5mm Morpheus eyepiece will become available in approx. 2-3 months."

 

I'd still take that with a grain of salt.  :fingerscrossed:



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Posted 25 January 2017 - 01:28 PM

I wanted one myself. It looks like I may just have to get the 18mm APM instead. 

 

Thanks for sharing the news.  :(



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Posted 25 January 2017 - 06:21 PM

I just got an email today from Baader (1/25/17)

"We currently estimate that focal length 17.5mm Morpheus eyepiece will become available in approx. 2-3 months."

Which planet and which moon cycle?


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Posted 25 January 2017 - 10:04 PM

I just got an email today from Baader (1/25/17)

"We currently estimate that focal length 17.5mm Morpheus eyepiece will become available in approx. 2-3 months."

 

I'd still take that with a grain of salt.  :fingerscrossed:

Maybe it will be available in time for summer deep sky.



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Posted 25 January 2017 - 10:33 PM

At this point, it must be the most anticipated eyepiece in Baader history! The reports from Baader about this being the most novel design they have ever come up with and their total lack of willingness to compromise certainly have me intrigued.

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Posted 26 January 2017 - 12:20 AM

:x

 

Patience, people.  Let the designers work out the kinks.  I'd rather them refine the design than rush the last prototype to market.

 

- Jim


Edited by jrbarnett, 26 January 2017 - 12:32 AM.

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 10:46 AM

Any word on the new 17.5mm?

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 11:47 AM

 

new 17.5mm

The old 17.5mm meanwhile... I bet the 17,5mm will be a classic.

On paper its a perfect substitute for my Vixen 22mm LVW (same fieldstop, more magnification, long ER).

 

Garret


Edited by garret, 26 April 2017 - 11:48 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 11:51 AM

Well, that might bode well for Delos 17.3 sales.  If it is indeed true that Baader is struggling with some optical issues at that focal length, I'd opt for the Delos which we can be confident is a solid performer.

I am very curious about the comparison.  I'd love to try them in person and see if the extra field of the Morpheus is noticeable.  This is only medium power for me (70X), in a range where I'm interested in having a wider field of view because I like to view extended targets like clusters at this power.



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Posted 26 April 2017 - 02:50 PM

Supposedly, "late Spring 2017".

They were announced in late Spring 2015, so keep your fingers crossed.



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Posted 26 April 2017 - 05:06 PM

 

Well, that might bode well for Delos 17.3 sales.  If it is indeed true that Baader is struggling with some optical issues at that focal length, I'd opt for the Delos which we can be confident is a solid performer.

I am very curious about the comparison.  I'd love to try them in person and see if the extra field of the Morpheus is noticeable.  This is only medium power for me (70X), in a range where I'm interested in having a wider field of view because I like to view extended targets like clusters at this power.

 

I have tried both the 12mm Delos + 12mm Morpheus. The extra field is noticeable, but I am betting that the 17.5mm Morpheus shows more coma from the scope used than the 17.3m Delos, (Unless another scope with a longer F/L is used, or unless Baader took their time releasing the 17.5mm Morpheus to address that).


Edited by starbase25, 26 April 2017 - 05:16 PM.


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 05:26 PM

Well, if it has a wider field, it will, since the visibility of coma, assuming a flat field in the eyepiece, is apparent field dependent (wider = more coma seen).



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Posted 26 April 2017 - 05:44 PM

4 degrees more. lol



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Posted 26 April 2017 - 06:20 PM

Well, if it has a wider field, it will, since the visibility of coma, assuming a flat field in the eyepiece, is apparent field dependent (wider = more coma seen).

Isn't that conjecture?  I thought that was the very reason it was delayed?




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